Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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The free will camp assumes many things that have zero Biblical support while at the same time contradicting and denying a plethora of verse which explicitly articulate the truth about the man of flesh.
 
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rogerg said:
Sorry, I don't think I follow you, my fault. Truly accepting Jesus only comes as a result of salvation - it does not bring salvation. Until saved, we are dead in sin, unable to contribute in any way to it - we are helpless. Should someone become saved, from that, they come to faith in Jesus and accept Him as Savior. I believe everyone saved, became/becomes saved for the same reason -simply because God had chosen them unto salvation from before the foundation of the world.
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sorry didn't mean to confuse you I was just btt confused by what I've been reading, not just here but else where.

It's Just im not sure when spiritual circumcision of the heart started to take place in the old t.

I understand God knew who would be spiritually circumcised before the foundations of the world, but what I can't fully grasp is of what point that would have started to take place in the old t.

A part of me believes it could have been as long ago as Adam and eve.
 
Jordon said:
sorry didn't mean to confuse you I was just btt confused by what I've been reading, not just here but else where.

It's Just im not sure when spiritual circumcision of the heart started to take place in the old t.

I understand God knew who would be spiritually circumcised before the foundations of the world, but what I can't fully grasp is of what point that would have started to take place in the old t.

A part of me believes it could have been as long ago as Adam and eve.
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I believe it happens when someone becomes saved throughout time
 
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rogerg said:
Sorry, I don't think I follow you, my fault. Accepting Jesus only comes to someone as a result of salvation - it does not bring salvation. Until saved, we are dead in sin, unable to contribute in any way to it - we are helpless. Should someone become saved, from that, they come to faith in Jesus and accept Him as Savior. I believe everyone saved, became/becomes saved for the same reason -simply because God had chosen them unto salvation from before the foundation of the world.
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I respect you @rogerg. At least you are straightforward and clear in what you believe.

The others in your camp, IMO, know the "cringe factor" and try to word salad, explain away or cover up the "cringe factor" of reformed theory.
 
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rogerg said:
Sorry, I don't think I follow you, my fault. Truly accepting Jesus only comes as a result of salvation - it does not bring salvation. Until saved, we are dead in sin, unable to contribute in any way to it - we are helpless. Should someone become saved, from that, they come to faith in Jesus and accept Him as Savior. I believe everyone saved, became/becomes saved for the same reason -simply because God had chosen them unto salvation from before the foundation of the world.
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Yes... Jesus said those given to Him by the Father will come to Him.

Nothing about, they can then decide not to come to Me.

Even though some of our self-congratulatory scholars take that position:

God convinced them of the truth and then they could decide whether or not to believe it.
 
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Magenta said:
Yes... Jesus said those given to Him by the Father will come to Him.
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Pro tip: Jewish wedding protocols.
If you would care to study them, you would know exactly what Jesus is intending to say.

And it ain't Calvinism take my word for it.
 
BillyBob said:
I still believe that cv5 and HeIsHere are the same person posting under two IDs!
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HeIsHere has had multiple IDs over the years and yes, been here for many years. And she is here much of the time pushing
her views, but she still has told us she is not invested, which of course I am not buying, not even for a second...
 
Magenta said:
HeIsHere has had multiple IDs over the years and yes, been here for many years. And she is here much of the time pushing
her views, but she still has told us she is not invested, which of course I am not buying, not even for a second...
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Could it be that all FWers are actually the same person? That would mean that it's 20 to 1 in our favor!
 
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