Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Cameron143 said:
Every reformed tenet magnifies Christ and His work of salvation.
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Another debunked, disproven and therefore vacuous premise. On the contrary, most of the Reformed dogma, makes Christ appear unloving, odious, tyrannical and unfair.

Issuing these kind of terse, high-sounding but false declarations (IMO which are meant to extoll Reformed dogma.....not Christ) is habitual practice for you in particular and for the rest of the Reformed crew in general.
 
NightTwister said:
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It would seem that the above definitely applies to you.
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I never did expect an educational nor an edifying reply from you.
So in this capacity you never disappoint.

BTW, you might want to consider the reasons why certain commentators add stupendous value to the thread and others do not.
I mean, even the Geico caveman can see the stark dichotomy and recognize why this is so.
 
lrs68 said:
They [Acts 7 people] were those who lived their lives abiding by the LAW and under every circumstance before Jesus they were saved.

To the Acts 2 people:
For one they witnessed the 120 and what was happening to them. Even Paul writes in Corinthians about how Speaking in Tongues is for the unbeilever and that's absolute proof of what he said.

Then being full of the Holy Ghost Peter preached the Gospel + made it personal to them like Stephen did but they responded positively. I wonder had Stephen Spoke in Tongues like the other 3,000 witnessed would have changed some reactions since we know what the 3,000 witnessed and Paul explains it's for the purpose of the non believers?

But ultimately the 3,000 did fulfill the Verse written by Paul about hearing the Gospel brings Faith.
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No one was ever saved by keeping the law...by works of the law shall no flesh be justified...Galatians 2:16.

So, the experience of witnessing tongues was enough. Nothing need be done about their hostility towards God, their spiritual deadness, or the estate of their hearts?
 
cv5 said:
Another debunked, disproven and therefore vacuous premise. On the contrary, most of the Reformed dogma, makes Christ appear unloving, odious, tyrannical and unfair.

Issuing these kind of terse, high-sounding but false declarations (IMO which are meant to extoll Reformed dogma.....not Christ) is habitual practice for you in particular and for the rest of the Reformed crew in general.
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How laughable. It is your ilk who continuously label things and force labels upon people. And it's because you want to dismiss arguments out of hand rather than deal with truth. And nowhere is this more apparent than when dealing with the subject of the natural man.

For the record, ascribing to Christ the glory for every aspect of salvation and not man actually entirely exalts Christ.
 
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lrs68 said:
They [Acts 7 people] were those who lived their lives abiding by the LAW and under every circumstance before Jesus they were saved.

To the Acts 2 people:
For one they witnessed the 120 and what was happening to them. Even Paul writes in Corinthians about how Speaking in Tongues is for the unbeilever and that's absolute proof of what he said.

Then being full of the Holy Ghost Peter preached the Gospel + made it personal to them like Stephen did but they responded positively. I wonder had Stephen Spoke in Tongues like the other 3,000 witnessed would have changed some reactions since we know what the 3,000 witnessed and Paul explains it's for the purpose of the non believers?

But ultimately the 3,000 did fulfill the Verse written by Paul about hearing the Gospel brings Faith.
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The Acts 7 ear-stoppers were basically religious frauds. The opportunity to RECIEVE was objectively valid (it always is) however ***they*** CHOSE to reject the message, the messenger and King Who gave it. That is the infallible pattern of Scripture cover to cover. Opportunity provided, positive or negative response, then reactionary judgement predicated upon the CHOICE.

The Reformed crew declare that the opportunity to RECIEVE the gospel is never objectively valid.
Declared but never proven BTW.

As you can see, "ear-stopping" is nothing new really.......
Another day, another Reformed shibboleth bites the dust.

[Act 7:57 KJV]
Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

[Zec 7:8 KJV]
And the word of the LORD came unto Zechariah, saying,

[Zec 7:9 KJV]
Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:

[Zec 7:10 KJV]
And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.

[Zec 7:11 KJV]
But ***THEY*** refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.

[Zec 7:12 KJV]
Yea, ***THEY*** made their hearts [as] an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the LORD of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the LORD of hosts.
 
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Cameron143 said:
How laughable. It is your ilk who continuously label things and force labels upon people. And it's because you want to dismiss arguments out of hand rather than deal with truth. And nowhere is this more apparent than when dealing with the subject of the natural man.

For the record, ascribing to Christ the glory for every aspect of salvation and not man actually entirely exalts Christ.
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very true friend.

However sir the mood today once again to whom your replying is to stick the sword into your heart and make you feel worthless.

Don't let it.

Your faith is worth more than what there suggesting.

You know that, so do I and others and it's important to remember that.
 
Magenta said:
Jesus said you must be born again.

He never said people choose to be born again.

In your theology, the dead choose to bring themselves to life.

How do you see that as being logical? It is not logical at all.

And it is not what Jesus taught either despite your dishonest insistence it was so.

You promote a lot of error and you also deliberately misrepresent. Others, yourself, Scriptures.

You conflate one thing with another and then lie about it. It does not go unnoticed.

Do the dead circumcise their hearts also, because it was commanded?

It does lend itself to how you seem convinced people choose to believe what is nonsense.

Of course they do not believe what they are choosing to believe is nonsense.

And the unregenerated man is explicitly said to hear the gospel message as foolishness.

In your theology the person with no wisdom chooses to believe what requires wisdom to do so.

Your theology entails a lot of nonsense. You choose that over what Scripture explicitly articulates.
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Cameron143 said:
Why don't you quote the whole verse...that you might have LIFE IN HIS NAME.
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This post was a the axiomatic statement #12 267
Believe and Live!!!!

Here are the verses that clearly place the order as believe and then live.

John 11 25:26
"I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die". Here, belief is presented as the condition for receiving new and eternal life from Jesus.

John 3:15–16
“That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

John 5:24
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

John 6:47
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me hath everlasting life.”

John 20:31 (purpose of John’s Gospel, quoting Jesus’ words)
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

John 6:40
“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

John 7:38
“He that believes on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”
 
cv5 said:
I never did expect an educational nor an edifying reply from you.
So in this capacity you never disappoint.

BTW, you might want to consider the reasons why certain commentators add stupendous value to the thread and others do not.
I mean, even the Geico caveman can see the stark dichotomy and recognize why this is so.
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You're still here? Take the W and go home. We won't mind.
 
cv5 said:
This bogus dogma does severely distort those espousing and preaching it that's for sure.
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Absolutely.
Beyond ridiculous in this day and age where there is so much good scholarship regarding the Greek language, context, etc., to completely demonstrate how every tenet to TULIP is false.
 
Cameron143 said:
How laughable. It is your ilk who continuously label things and force labels upon people. And it's because you want to dismiss arguments out of hand rather than deal with truth. And nowhere is this more apparent than when dealing with the subject of the natural man.

For the record, ascribing to Christ the glory for every aspect of salvation and not man actually entirely exalts Christ.
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It is like a recent post where someone said, God does it all, but then the end result is left up to the person, so God does in fact not do it all, at all, even though that is how they started their post. It does not seem they see such contradictions, and when it comes to the natural man, FWers are completely baffled. Some have no idea who that is at all, and the proof of that is the fact that they keep ascribing to him qualities and characteristics that only the spiritual man possesses. It is the spiritual man who chooses to exercise faith. The natural man is under the power and influence of Satan and is hostile in his mind toward God, refusing to come into the light. Gosh, going over what Scripture has to say of the natural man has been done innumerable times. They seem blind to it, and wilfully so. It threatens their self-exalting theology.
 
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This post was a the axiomatic statement #12 267
Believe and Live!!!!

Here are the verses that clearly place the order as believe and then live.

John 11 25:26
"I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die". Here, belief is presented as the condition for receiving new and eternal life from Jesus.

John 3:15–16
“That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

John 5:24
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

John 6:47
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me hath everlasting life.”

John 20:31 (purpose of John’s Gospel, quoting Jesus’ words)
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

John 6:40
“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

John 7:38
“He that believes on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”
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Jhn 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth G2334 the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 3:14
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Jhn 3:15
“that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
 
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Cameron143 said:
He's not talking about being made alive, but possessing eternal life. There's a difference between regeneration and eternal life.
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I cannot believe you even attempting to assert this. :rolleyes:

Yes make a case for it.

On your mark, Get set, Go...

 
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HeIsHere said:
This post was a the axiomatic statement #12 267
Believe and Live!!!!

Here are the verses that clearly place the order as believe and then live.

John 11 25:26
"I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die". Here, belief is presented as the condition for receiving new and eternal life from Jesus.

John 3:15–16
“That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

John 5:24
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

John 6:47
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me hath everlasting life.”

John 20:31 (purpose of John’s Gospel, quoting Jesus’ words)
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

John 6:40
“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

John 7:38
“He that believes on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”
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Again, all verses speaking of eternal life after belief. None are speaking about regeneration.

Do you believe regeneration is synonymous with eternal life?
 
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