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Yes seems so, had not stopped to think of it in those terms >>>"addiction"

.... but yes I see it, when they cannot let go of something in spite of all the evidence to the contrary and no evidence to support it, there must be some type of psychological/emotional addiction.

No its not a addiction its a obsession that you are swayed by. The worlds report card other than God's truth.
 
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Are you sure of that? No family records. Nothing written down. How do you know what Rome did or didnt destroy? What did or dint get taken away before the destruction. You never know Rome might have the ark in its basement. When it comes to lost artifacts and records you jist dont know.


Don’t you think if they had records or genealogies proving they were descendants of Abraham, they would be using those to prove and advance their cause? They would be no different than those Jews in Jesus’s day who boasted “Abraham is our father”. Oh, yes! They would be shouting it from the rooftops.

I googled it and this is what I found:
“The Roman destruction of the Jerusalem temple in 70 AD resulted in the loss of significant, centralized public archives and tribal records, including those of the Davidic line making future public verification of ancient claims IMPOSSIBLE.”
 
Don’t you think if they had records or genealogies proving they were descendants of Abraham, they would be using those to prove and advance their cause? They would be no different than those Jews in Jesus’s day who boasted “Abraham is our father”. Oh, yes! They would be shouting it from the rooftops.

I googled it and this is what I found:
“The Roman destruction of the Jerusalem temple in 70 AD resulted in the loss of significant, centralized public archives and tribal records, including those of the Davidic line making future public verification of ancient claims IMPOSSIBLE.”

Im not saying they still exist im jist saying there's a chance some do. I dont know your end times doctrine. However when the anti christ sits on the ark which I believe is the abomination of desolation spoken of. The jews are not gonna let some random dude walk into the holy of holies to accomplish that. So im thinking there's a list of people somewhere is all.
 
I am not going to restate what has been posted already but good look at all the history and hard facts of Zionism over the 200 years and how evil it is...but just because Zionism is evil doesn't mean Hamas is right...where did you get that conclusions?


"Zionism is a nationalist movement that advocates for a homeland for the Jewish people in the Biblical Land of Israel." This is what I mean when I say Zionism, what do you mean? Let's start there first. Hamas isn't right, on that we can agree.


If you could also explain the entire Bible where G-d and Jesus make it clear that we are not like other nations, we don't look to Egypt/USA for men power, G-d doesn't want the strength of horses, He expects His chosen people to pray and rely on Him and then G-d will do the rest, just as He did many times (I.e. the Book of Esther, Chanukah, 6 day War, etc.). G-d's people don't act like the Nations. G-d's people don't follow the way of the world.

You're talking about the Old Testament Israel of the Bible. That is not the Israel of today. The OT Israel was a theocracy, I guess the term we would use to describe it today. But current Israel is a democracy and that is how the country is run. There will be a time when they will rely on God again, but right now prophesy needs to unfold.
 
That's utterly ridiculous='Jews have no god except a god they created' ... sounds like you know squat about the Jews and probably everything else. David a peacemaker, lol, why didn't God let him build the Temple? You and some others would like to forget we will be accounting for every idle word on judgement day.
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:1-2, 9-10, 28-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jews definately have a God so does everyone else if they turn to him
 
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Im not saying they still exist im jist saying there's a chance some do. I dont know your end times doctrine. However when the anti christ sits on the ark which I believe is the abomination of desolation spoken of. The jews are not gonna let some random dude walk into the holy of holies to accomplish that. So im thinking there's a list of people somewhere is all.

How can there be an abomination in the future when the curtain has been torn.

Any way that is not what is in view concerning the abomination of desolation it occurred at the time of the crucifixion.
 
How can there be an abomination in the future when the curtain has been torn.

Any way that is not what is in view concerning the abomination of desolation it occurred at the time of the crucifixion.
Amen

"Zionism is a nationalist movement that advocates for a homeland for the Jewish people in the Biblical Land of Israel." This is what I mean when I say Zionism, what do you mean? Let's start there first. Hamas isn't right, on that we can agree.




You're talking about the Old Testament Israel of the Bible. That is not the Israel of today. The OT Israel was a theocracy, I guess the term we would use to describe it today. But current Israel is a democracy and that is how the country is run. There will be a time when they will rely on God again, but right now prophesy needs to unfold.
It’s a democracy because the western warlord who overcame in ww2 created the idea and placed democracy upon them Gods Will is never the Will of all the people according to majority ….Gods way is a monarchy a king over his people who decrees truth and justice before all and they believe and follow after his good ways . It’s definately worldly and a creation of western democracies
 
Be grafted in has nothing to do with a plot of land. Like when God started grating in Gentiles per Rom 11:17-19

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

That doesnt mean these Gentiles moved over to israel lol. Its a spiritual matter, the grafting in is being given Faith in Christ, no matter where the Gentile person lived, they were grafted in by Faith. And iff any natural jew believes in Christ they will be grafted in, even if they live in chicago.

No, I don't think anyone claimed being grafted in has anything to do with where you live.
 
Amen


It’s a democracy because the western warlord who overcame in ww2 created the idea and placed democracy upon them Gods Will is never the Will of all the people according to majority ….Gods way is a monarchy a king over his people who decrees truth and justice before all and they believe and follow after his good ways . It’s definately worldly and a creation of western democracies

How are you doing this evening? Well, evening where I am. The hot temperatures dropped and this long weekend was beautiful. Hope you had a wonderful weekend!
 
How can there be an abomination in the future when the curtain has been torn.

Any way that is not what is in view concerning the abomination of desolation it occurred at the time of the crucifixion.

The jews didnt except Jesus as Messiah they await the Messiah. Only it aint gonna be who they think it is. To them they are still living old testiment times. So they are either gonna rebuild the temple or cleanse the one that's already there. And the one they anoint as the highpriest to do the cleansing who walks in and proclaims himself God and sits on the ark aint gonna be some guy they picked out of thin air. Atleast that is how I see it.
 
How are you doing this evening? Well, evening where I am. The hot temperatures dropped and this long weekend was beautiful. Hope you had a wonderful weekend!
It’s still 101 here but the wonders of ac keep me from drying out . And of course the food lord allows me to be well which is always a blessing sister.

I went to see my younger brother Bruce the past few days he’s in very late stages of terminal cancer and I wasn’t prepared for how he looks . So it’s been a really hard few days emotionally and mentally . I hope you are well and blessed as always sister
 
The jews didnt except Jesus as Messiah they await the Messiah. Only it aint gonna be who they think it is. To them they are still living old testiment times. So they are either gonna rebuild the temple or cleanse the one that's already there. And the one they anoint as the highpriest to do the cleansing who walks in and proclaims himself God and sits on the ark aint gonna be some guy they picked out of thin air. Atleast that is how I see it.
Many did accept him though first the remnant which became the early church and then those who converted afterwards in the book of acts. And people born today and yesterday still have the chance to accept him regardless of thier heritage.

the jews curses are all because of the law of Moses, and the conditions of thier covenant made between they and the lord at horeb and Sinai. They never accept that they broke the covenant and the curses are upon them now . Thier only way out of it is to accept the new covenant he made with them first and then they were sent to also include gentiles . Thier new covenant begins by accepting Jesus as the long promised messiah who would save the tribes of Israel and redeem them as a people into God . A peculiar and righteous and no longer rebellious people with new hearts and a new spirit within them …… and then the gentiles were included with the tribes of Israel in his kingdom

It’s the reason he made a new covenant wherein there are no Jews , no gentiles , but only Christ and the children of Abraham …. The children of God in him. We have to be careful not to label an entire people based on one generation of gods wrath being poured out upon them or even a perpetual curse . Because always he called them to repentance and said if they would he would renew thier promise with the new covenant on a new earth
 
Amen


It’s a democracy because the western warlord who overcame in ww2 created the idea and placed democracy upon them Gods Will is never the Will of all the people according to majority ….Gods way is a monarchy a king over his people who decrees truth and justice before all and they believe and follow after his good ways . It’s definately worldly and a creation of western democracies

Not true brother, need to study history. Russia thought they could win them over and have another allie when israel first became a nation. Israel refused so Russia started to arm the Arabs in hopes they would persuade them. It's in the history books.
Today you find Russia and Iran are close also China and Iran. Russia has forces in Syria and Lebanon.
 
That national Israel that began through Abraham/Moses is gone, extinct, the israel now is a gentile country,, and since we are now in the time of the Gentiles under the New Covenant, people over there if they are elect are being saved along with other gentile elect. The jews now over there are ashkenazi jews, not the jews of the initial bloodline jews under the Old Covenant.
What rubbish. Tell me what other nation is attempting to build a third temple. If it is secular, why is Jerusalem considered so sacred? And if it is secular, why do the nations rage against Israel? 8 million non-Arabs surrounded by 400 plus million non Jews. Yet Israel survives against overwhelming odds.

Do you not know that the bloodline of Jesus includes non Jews? That the wife of Moses was a Midianite? It seems almighty God is far less picky than you are.
 
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  • From a religious and historical perspective, Israel's founding, involving the prophesied regathering of a long-exiled people and the revival of an ancient tongue, fits a traditional definition of a miracle.
  • From a secular and political perspective, the USA's founding, with its successful military rebellion and the establishment of a novel and enduring system of self-government, is a remarkable event that defied political expectations.
Ultimately, there is no objective answer. The designation of a nation's origin as miraculous is a matter of belief, theology, and historical interpretation.





  • The Miracle of Israel’s Rebirth - ICEJ
    The rebirth of Israel in May 1948 is considered a miracle. It happened just three years after the Holocaust ended. The Jewish people faced many calamities, incl..nations out to destroy Israel.



There is an objective answer. Israel is the only nation to have been born in one day. America was years in the making. Yes, it was pretty amazing, but it was not in one day.

A lot of Britons supported America's independence. Britain threw Israel to the Arab wolves in 1948. No one expected Israel to prevail, except some believers who knew it would happen eventually. They include John Wesley, Isaac Newton and Charles Spurgeon.

Spurgeon preached that Ezekiel's "Dry Bones" vision was a prophecy regarding the restoration of Israel as a nation. He was right.
 
There is an objective answer. Israel is the only nation to have been born in one day. America was years in the making. Yes, it was pretty amazing, but it was not in one day.

A lot of Britons supported America's independence. Britain threw Israel to the Arab wolves in 1948. No one expected Israel to prevail, except some believers who knew it would happen eventually. They include John Wesley, Isaac Newton and Charles Spurgeon.

Spurgeon preached that Ezekiel's "Dry Bones" vision was a prophecy regarding the restoration of Israel as a nation. He was right.

Derek Prince ministries has a video of his time in the British army about the time of the establishment of the modern nation of Israel and he spoke with a veteran of the fighting and how just a comparative handful of Jewish Hagannah (sp?) fighters were successful, "when we would attack their positions it seemed the were confused and didn't know what to do".
His hand is on His chosen ones, please pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
blessings
 
Been over this many times for many years I might add on various threads, I think you do not realize how outside of spiritual reality they live, it is pointless, God is not a liar, but those with this delusion cannot see this truth.

It will take an act of deliverance, rest assured.

Hi. Sorry I don't understand what you are saying. Could you clarify? Thanks
 
There is an objective answer. Israel is the only nation to have been born in one day. America was years in the making. Yes, it was pretty amazing, but it was not in one day.

A lot of Britons supported America's independence. Britain threw Israel to the Arab wolves in 1948. No one expected Israel to prevail, except some believers who knew it would happen eventually. They include John Wesley, Isaac Newton and Charles Spurgeon.

Spurgeon preached that Ezekiel's "Dry Bones" vision was a prophecy regarding the restoration of Israel as a nation. He was right.

Both America and Israel made declarations of independence from the British Empire. Israel was a colonial project of the British that had been in the works for decades. In a newspaper article written 3 decades before 1948 Winston Churchill proposed the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine in order to give the British a colonial foothold in the Middle East and to provide an incentive to nationalist zionist Jews to oppose international bolshevism. Hardly "born in a day" and hardly a miracle, but rather, world politics as usual.

"Zionism offers the third sphere to the political conceptions of the Jewish race. In violent contrast to international communism, it presents to the Jew a national idea of a commanding character. It has fallen to the British Government, as the result of the conquest of Palestine, to have the opportunity and the responsibility of securing for the Jewish race all over the world a home and a centre of national life. The statesmanship and historic sense of Mr. Balfour were prompt to seize this opportunity. Declarations have been made which have irrevocably decided the policy of Great Britain. The fiery energies of Dr. Weissmann, the leader, for practical purposes, of the Zionist project, backed by many of the most prominent British Jews, and supported by the full authority of Lord Allenby, are all directed to achieving the success of this inspiring movement.

Of course, Palestine is far too small to accommodate more than a fraction of the Jewish race, nor do the majority of national Jews wish to go there. But if, as may well happen, there should be created in our own lifetime by the banks of the Jordan a Jewish State under the protection of the British Crown, which might comprise three or four millions of Jews, an event would have occurred in the history of the world which would, from every point of view, be beneficial, and would be especially in harmony with the truest interests of the British Empire."
 
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"Zionism is a nationalist movement that advocates for a homeland for the Jewish people in the Biblical Land of Israel." This is what I mean when I say Zionism, what do you mean? Let's start there first. Hamas isn't right, on that we can agree.




You're talking about the Old Testament Israel of the Bible. That is not the Israel of today. The OT Israel was a theocracy, I guess the term we would use to describe it today. But current Israel is a democracy and that is how the country is run. There will be a time when they will rely on God again, but right now prophesy needs to unfold.

You negated every fact about the evils of Zionism...but many people do because they want to see their dreams come true.

I live here, let just share some friendly facts you just quickly search online to show you how "G-dly the State is":

- Tel Aviv is worse than Las Vegas by 100x
- There is more trash on the grounds here than in a dump in New York
- The quality of food, structures etc, was better in 1800's than what we have today
- The Army has thrown over 100 young newly married men in jail for the crime of studying the BIBLE and they come in the middle of the night with Armoured trucks
- We have one of the highest abortions rates in the world and immorality is very great here
- The secular school system refrains from any mention of G-d or any teachings of the bible
- There is more hate between one another than many places primarily due too the extreme pressure the gov't puts on the residences
- 1/3 of children live in poverty....in one of the most advanced cities in the world!
- Christians are persecuted by the IDF and some churches have been bulldozed over recently for no reason but to occupy more land
- The entire world is growing in anti-semitism and the world and Israeli leaders know that we are killing ourselves with these horrible acts...like what kind of Testimony of Holiness are we sharing???

Please listen. The State of Israel and its Founders are part of the Beast. They are here to fool the world and it is very hard. The State of Israel has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible, G-dliness or even Jews for that matter. It was created and the founders clearly state that it was to attract Jews to the land and to kill G-d and the religion. Only this time instead of looking like an enemy, they dressed up in all the sheeps clothings you can think of.

I assume many of you live in USA. Do you not know the real reason why USA is the only country that full supports us? Do you know not know why you donated Billions to Israel? I will give you a hint. Go look at the History of your country and its origins and you will see Zionist hands all over it. Go read Protocols of Zion.

Zionist simply hijacked the "Jewish People" and threw us under them...Zionist are simply Satanic and might as well call them Nazis. They have nothing to do with the CHILDREN OF G-D...ZERO!!!
 
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