Israel.

[Pilgrimshope]

Amen, EVERY!

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Empire? Hardly. A nation of 8 million Jews plus 2 million Arabs, surrounded by 450 million, mostly hostile Muslims? A nation that was attacked the moment it became independent? A nation that has few resources and few friends? Tell me one other nation that has survived and prospered in such an environment.

Jews make up 0.2% of the world's population, and that's all Jews, not just in Israel. Yet about half of Nobel Prize winners are Jews. God said that Israel would be a blessing to the nations. That is another prophecy that has been fulfilled.

The Jew-haters are just jealous!

 

[HeIsHere]

They're just jealous!

You would impugn the character of believers to protect the very tarnished image of your pet secular ethno-state.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The Jew-haters are just jealous!

 

[PennEd]

Why dont you first reply to teh full post -

Do you beleive in Jeremiah 8:8 I’m quoting the bible?

Ok, but remember you just said you'd tell us what parts of the Bible lying scribes wrote.

The answer is absurdly easy.
In Jeremiah 8, the Lord is pronouncing a series of rebukes. In verse 8 He says,

“How can you say, ‘We are wise,
And the law of the Lord is with us’?
Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood."

NOWHERE in that passage does it even slightly hint that these "lying scribes" were writing Scripture! We can speculate on what they WERE writing if ya like, but it CERTAINLY wasn't any part of the Bible.

Could you also help with the difference in the MT & DSS below – which one is correct?



8:6 MT (Masoretic Text) reads: "Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him."



DSS

6 You shall keep the commandments of Yahweh your God, to walk in his ways, and to love him.

Here is the Hebrew word:
3372. yare' ►

Lexical Summary

yare': Fear, revere, be afraid​

Original Word: יָרֵא
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: yare'
Pronunciation: yah-ray'
Phonetic Spelling: (yaw-ray')
KJV: affright, be (make) afraid, dread(-ful), (put in) fear(-ful, -fully, -ing), (be had in) reverence(-end), X see, terrible (act, -ness, thing)
Word Origin: [a primitive root]

1. to fear
2. morally, to revere
3. caus. to frighten​

Here are a ton of translations of Deuteronomy 8:6 ALL saying virtually the same thing :



New International Version
Observe the commands of the LORD your God, walking in obedience to him and revering him.

New Living Translation
“So obey the commands of the LORD your God by walking in his ways and fearing him.

English Standard Version
So you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God by walking in his ways and by fearing him.

Berean Standard Bible
Therefore you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, walking in His ways and fearing Him.

King James Bible
Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.

New King James Version
“Therefore you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore, you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him.

NASB 1995
“Therefore, you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him.

NASB 1977
“Therefore, you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him.

Legacy Standard Bible
So you shall keep the commandments of Yahweh your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him.

Amplified Bible
Therefore, you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, to walk [that is, to live each and every day] in His ways and fear [and worship] Him [with awe-filled reverence and profound respect].

Christian Standard Bible
So keep the commands of the LORD your God by walking in his ways and fearing him.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
So keep the commands of the LORD your God by walking in His ways and fearing Him.

American Standard Version
And thou shalt keep the commandments of Jehovah thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.

Contemporary English Version
Obey the commands the LORD your God has given you and worship him with fear and trembling.

English Revised Version
And thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Obey the commands of the LORD your God. Follow his directions, and fear him.

Good News Translation
So then, do as the LORD has commanded you: live according to his laws and obey him.

International Standard Version
Observe the commands of the LORD your God by walking in his ways and by fearing him,

NET Bible
So you must keep his commandments, live according to his standards, and revere him.

New Heart English Bible
You shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.

Webster's Bible Translation
Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.
Majority Text Translations
Majority Standard Bible
Therefore you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, walking in His ways and fearing Him.

World English Bible
You shall keep the commandments of Yahweh your God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.
Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
and you have kept the commands of your God YHWH, to walk in His ways and to fear Him.

Young's Literal Translation
and thou hast kept the commands of Jehovah thy God, to walk in His ways, and to fear Him.

Smith's Literal Translation
And watch thou the commands of Jehovah thy God, to go in his ways and to fear him.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

You would impugn the character of believers to protect the very tarnished image of your pet secular ethno-state.

You Jew-haters are Christian believers???

A Christian believer believes everything God says and conforms to His way of life because of the Holy Spirit.

I've seen what you've all posted to the forums over time and you don't conform to Him - only what lines up with beliefs you already have. Everything else you've believe doesn't line up with what God has set down in the Bible.

But that's okay if you don't believe me. God will tell you all Himself sooner or later. In the meantime, you're all just making things worse for yourselves with each post you make.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

it’s just that being born as an Israelite man or woman doesn’t make you an Israelite to God that’s just how man identifies things flesh and blood . No gentile or Jew is saved because of thier flesh ancestors Abraham’s children have faith that’s what identifies them whether a former Jew or former gentile ofnthey receive the spirit of Christ that makes them aBrahmans seed of promise because the seed of promise is Jesus alone

No one on our side has ever said Jews don't need to be saved. Just stating that again in case you missed it.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The Jew-haters are just jealous!

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:37-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. ( early prophets sent to Israel )

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. ( latter messianic prophets sent to Israel )

But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. ( Jesus messiah came to Israel as promised )

But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. ( they rejected Jesus and condemned him to be crucified )

When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:9-14‬ ‭

 

[Pilgrimshope]

No one on our side has ever said Jews don't need to be saved. Just stating that again in case you missed it.

Yeah I sure hadn’t said jews don’t need to be saved . So i hadn’t missed it . All man needs saving. Jews who don’t believe the gospel won’t be saved and if they do believe the gospel they aren’t Jews anymore but children of Abraham

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The point was evil has existed and in some cases for a very long time - but that doesn’t imply that they are favoured by God

Israel is favored by God. The Bible says it is the apple of Gods eye and that His eyes are always on it.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yeah I sure hadn’t said jews don’t need to be saved . So i hadn’t missed it . All man needs saving. Jews who don’t believe the gospel won’t be saved and if they do believe the gospel they aren’t Jews anymore but children of Abraham

I think this some high level cognitive dissonance, they need to be saved but God has blinded them for over 2000 years.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:37-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬
‭

Meh. Jerusalem apparently didn't stay in a state of desolation. God restored it and it's actually thriving with Jews.

Jeremiah 31:37 This is what the Lord says:

“Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,”
declares the Lord.

38 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when this city will be rebuilt for me from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The measuring line will stretch from there straight to the hill of Gareb and then turn to Goah. 40 The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown, and all the terraces out to the Kidron Valley on the east as far as the corner of the Horse Gate, will be holy to the Lord. The city will never again be uprooted or demolished.”

 

[HeIsHere]

Meh. Jerusalem apparently didn't stay in a state of desolation. God restored it and it's actually thriving with Jews.

Jeremiah 31:37 This is what the Lord says:

“Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,”
declares the Lord.

38 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when this city will be rebuilt for me from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The measuring line will stretch from there straight to the hill of Gareb and then turn to Goah. 40 The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown, and all the terraces out to the Kidron Valley on the east as far as the corner of the Horse Gate, will be holy to the Lord. The city will never again be uprooted or demolished.”

God did not restore it. No prophet of God on the scene.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Israel is favored by God. The Bible says it is the apple of Gods eye and that His eyes are always on it.

“For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:9-11‬ ‭

“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Meh. Jerusalem apparently didn't stay in a state of desolation. God restored it and it's actually thriving with Jews.

Jeremiah 31:37 This is what the Lord says:

“Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,”
declares the Lord.

38 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when this city will be rebuilt for me from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The measuring line will stretch from there straight to the hill of Gareb and then turn to Goah. 40 The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown, and all the terraces out to the Kidron Valley on the east as far as the corner of the Horse Gate, will be holy to the Lord. The city will never again be uprooted or demolished.”

Ah I see it’s already restored even though they still reject Jesus as lord and savior . …. That’s probably why Muslims control the Temple Mount and the land is divided into three parts that was gods plan to restore them

“The city will never again be uprooted or demolished.”


Because it’s in heaven and won’t return until there’s a new earth ….

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a some of you guys are looking here

“but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Instead of looking forward to here

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[HeIsHere]

Ah I see it’s already restored even though they still reject Jesus as lord and savior . …. That’s probably why Muslims control the Temple Mount and the land is divided into three parts that was gods plan to restore them

Good one!!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Good one!!

I’d never heard that it was already restored before apparently the world ended already and the new creation ruled by righteousness is here …… I thought Gods plan was better than a world full of war and death and sorrow and deceptions and “great delusions “

suprised they haven’t made thier weapons into plowshares yet and rule by peace like it says instead they keep stockpiling rockets and missles and nuclear warheads seems more worldly than divine

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

“For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:9-11‬ ‭

“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So again, I am quoting the Bible. That is how God feels toward Israel. He said it will never cease to be a nation before me. Please look deeper into this.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Ah I see it’s already restored even though they still reject Jesus as lord and savior . …. That’s probably why Muslims control the Temple Mount and the land is divided into three parts that was gods plan to restore them

The way I see the Dome of the Rock, it's just a placeholder so that the antichrist knows where to have the third Jewish temple rebuilt.

God never talked about restoring the third Jewish temple. He doesn't care about that. So you've misunderstood what the Bible said.

 

[HeIsHere]

I’d never heard that it was already restored before apparently the world ended already and the new creation ruled by righteousness is here …… I thought Gods plan was better than a world full of war and death and sorrow and deceptions and “great delusions “

suprised they haven’t made thier weapons into plowshares yet and rule by peace like it says instead they keep stockpiling rockets and missles and nuclear warheads seems more worldly than divine

"The nation" is and always will be the body of believers.
To insist a secular modern nation is the apple of God's eye is to dismiss and replace believers in Christ.