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I quoted the BIBLE! I have never said Jews would be saved any other way, I never said there was any other Gospel, I never said anything that would constitute being a Judaiser. You're just flat out lying. I literally copy/pasted the BIBLE!! I didn't add anything to it. smh
The way you read it is in unbelief. Paul takes pains throughout Romans 9-11 to make the point that only a remnant of Israel is ever saved, but the spell that has been cast on your mind doesn't allow you to see that when you get to the "all Israel will be saved" part. Instead of believing what Paul wrote and doing the sensible thing of interpreting that phrase in the context of every other part of Romans 9-11, and every other part of the bible for that matter, your mind goes blank and only sees what unbelieving Jews see, ie, that they will all be saved

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬



And so all Israel shall be saved ; as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, And shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, When I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:


but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.



For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭11:26-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s just that being born as an Israelite man or woman doesn’t make you an Israelite to God that’s just how man identifies things flesh and blood . No gentile or Jew is saved because of thier flesh ancestors Abraham’s children have faith that’s what identifies them whether a former Jew or former gentile ofnthey receive the spirit of Christ that makes them aBrahmans seed of promise because the seed of promise is Jesus alone
 
it’s just that being born as an Israelite man or woman doesn’t make you an Israelite to God that’s just how man identifies things flesh and blood.

No gentile or Jew is saved because of their flesh ancestors Abraham’s children have faith that’s what identifies them whether a former Jew or former gentile of they receive the spirit of Christ that makes them abrahams seed of promise because the seed of promise is Jesus alone

Amen!

The Church has always been spiritual, not an ethno-state.
 
Many terrible empires have lasted much longer, so God protected them as well?
Empire? Hardly. A nation of 8 million Jews plus 2 million Arabs, surrounded by 450 million, mostly hostile Muslims? A nation that was attacked the moment it became independent? A nation that has few resources and few friends? Tell me one other nation that has survived and prospered in such an environment.

Jews make up 0.2% of the world's population, and that's all Jews, not just in Israel. Yet about half of Nobel Prize winners are Jews. God said that Israel would be a blessing to the nations. That is another prophecy that has been fulfilled.
 
Empire? Hardly. A nation of 8 million Jews plus 2 million Arabs, surrounded by 450 million, mostly hostile Muslims? A nation that was attacked the moment it became independent? A nation that has few resources and few friends? Tell me one other nation that has survived and prospered in such an environment.

Jews make up 0.2% of the world's population, and that's all Jews, not just in Israel. Yet about half of Nobel Prize winners are Jews. God said that Israel would be a blessing to the nations. That is another prophecy that has been fulfilled.

You guys all sound the same.

0.2% of the population... auto repeat

You forgot to mention the 3.8 billion sent every year by the USA
 
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Empire? Hardly. A nation of 8 million Jews plus 2 million Arabs, surrounded by 450 million, mostly hostile Muslims? A nation that was attacked the moment it became independent? A nation that has few resources and few friends? Tell me one other nation that has survived and prospered in such an environment.

1) your confusing Jews and Zionists – considerable number of Jews are against Zionism & even the state of Israel

2) Zionist maybe little in number but control a huge amount

3) They control the most powerful nation USA - as well as other powerful nations such as UK, France, Germany etc... and financial influence

4) So have resources beyond the numbers who have helped and maintain their agenda



Maybe empire might be a bad choice of words - but evil religions, dictatorships, ideologies have often been controlled by few over many - such as South Africa apartheid (which was brutal) was controlled by approx. 5% of the population, Assad (Syrian regime) was controlled by approx. 8% for about 65 years.



The point was evil has existed and in some cases for a very long time - but that doesn’t imply that they are favoured by God
 
That's the same (blasphemous) argument as saying by God's Almighty providence, those on the Epstein list have gotten away with their dark deeds. Don't confuse the prospering of the wicked with God's blessing. Two very different things.

Fatuous argument. Israel was legally constituted and legally given the right to declare independence. That happened according to prophecy. You reject God's word. Is Israel perfect? No. Ancient Israel rebelled against God continually, yet God still remained faithful even when Israel did not.

Is America perfect? No. Do you believe America has enjoyed God's blessing over the centuries? I do. I also see that blessing lifting off as America turns away from God. The UK (where I was born) is in even worse shape, and for the same reasons.

Israel is prospering and overcoming its enemies. Most of the western world is in a downward spiral and being overtaken by Islam. That includes America. The church is growing in Israel. It's declining in America and much of the western world. Israel is indeed blessed by God. It's fact. Get over it.
 
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Empire? Hardly. A nation of 8 million Jews plus 2 million Arabs, surrounded by 450 million, mostly hostile Muslims? A nation that was attacked the moment it became independent? A nation that has few resources and few friends? Tell me one other nation that has survived and prospered in such an environment.

Jews make up 0.2% of the world's population, and that's all Jews, not just in Israel. Yet about half of Nobel Prize winners are Jews. God said that Israel would be a blessing to the nations. That is another prophecy that has been fulfilled.



1) your confusing Jews and Zionists – considerable number of Jews are against Zionism & even the state of Israel

2) Zionist maybe little in number but control a huge amount

3) They control the most powerful nation USA - as well as other powerful nations such as UK, France, Germany etc... and financial influence

4) So have resources beyond the numbers who have helped and maintain their agenda



Maybe empire might be a bad choice of words - but evil religions, dictatorships, ideologies have often been controlled by few over many - such as South Africa apartheid (which was brutal) was controlled by approx. 5% of the population, Assad (Syrian regime) was controlled by approx. 8% for about 65 years.



The point was evil has existed and in some cases for a very long time - but that doesn’t imply that they are favoured by God
 
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Fatuous argument. Israel was legally constituted and legally given the right to declare independence. That happened according to prophecy. You reject God's word. Is Israel perfect? No. Ancient Israel rebelled against God continually, yet God still remained faithful even when Israel did not.

Is America perfect? No. Do you believe America has enjoyed God's blessing over the centuries? I do. I also see that blessing lifting off as America turns away from God. The UK (where I was born) is in even worse shape, and for the same reasons.

Israel is prospering and overcoming its enemies. Most of the western world is in a downward spiral and being overtaken by Islam. That includes America. The church is growing in Israel. It's declining in America and much of the western world. Israel is indeed blessed by God. It's fact. Get over it.

What Gods prophecy are you talking about of a Zionist not believing state?
 
Can’t argue the points in debate so try to tarnish – great job!

You’re taking the point out of context with the discussion, happy for you to show the whole discussion - point being made is God obviously knows everything & Jeremiah 8:8 I’m quoting the bible - do you not believe it?



Could you also help with the difference in the MT & DSS below – which one is correct?



8:6 MT (Masoretic Text) reads: "Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him."



DSS

6 You shall keep the commandments of Yahweh your God, to walk in his ways, and to love him.
Tell us what parts of Scripture "lying Scribes" wrote.
 
You guys all sound the same.

0.2% of the population... auto repeat

You forgot to mention the 3.8 billion sent every year by the USA

You call that an answer? You've not addressed one point. You can't because all I've stated is facts. By the way, around 40 billion has been donated to "Palestine" over the last 25 years. That's for about 5 million people. That does not include money sent by Iran to fund terrorists. Where has the money gone? Not to the average Palestinian, that is for sure. The PA pays the families of terrorists who kill Israelis. The world is OK with that. Hamas hijacks most of the food aid sent to Gaza. The UN facilitates that. If you think Israel should sit back and do nothing about it, you are following the lead of the world. Self defence is not evil.
 
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You think that is a joke? Angels are rejoicing in heaven over everyone who gets saved, wherever they are. It's a shame you do not.

You have any data to back up the claim?
Is it conversion or population growth.
Is it percentage growth?
 
Amen!

The Church has always been spiritual, not an ethno-state.
Amen Abraham’s faith in Gods promise is why he was made father of many nations not his flesh ancestry. But his faith ancestry

“Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham……. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, ( flesh identities ) there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:6-9, 16, 22, 27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
Tell us what parts of Scripture "lying Scribes" wrote.

Why dont you first reply to teh full post -

Do you beleive in Jeremiah 8:8 I’m quoting the bible?



Could you also help with the difference in the MT & DSS below – which one is correct?



8:6 MT (Masoretic Text) reads: "Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him."



DSS

6 You shall keep the commandments of Yahweh your God, to walk in his ways, and to love him.
 
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