Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Psalm 32 v 1B-2 plus 10 Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose iniquity the LORD does not count against him, in whose spirit there is no deceit. The LORD’s unfailing love surrounds the one who trusts in Him.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You are clearly the problem. The criteria is God's love and the fulfillment of His promises. That is all that is required. In expressing His love and fulfilling His promises, the gospel will go forth and through faith Jesus will save His people from their sin.
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God only loves some people, why are some lovable and not others?

Do you have that love/success criteria yet?

Surely Jesus would have explained why He only loves the "selected" and not others and why they are selected for salvation?
 
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sawdust said:
He came to take the punishment of our sin. He did not declare anyone innocent.
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"For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." -- 2 For 5:21 ESV

He didn't need to declare anyone innocent. He is innocent and stands in our place.
 
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HeIsHere said:
God only loves some people, why are some lovable and not others?

Do you have that love/success criteria yet?

Surely Jesus would have explained why He only loves the "selected" and not others and why they are selected for salvation?
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These things have been explained to you many times. You let your emotions get in the way of truth. Read post #8400.

You are also a very disingenuous and dishonest person. You continue to use phraseology that misrepresents the Bible and ask questions but never answer any.

Just read post #8400 and learn what the Bible has to say about whether or not Jesus paid for sins universally. Maybe then you will set your emotions and false conceptions of God aside and see God as He actually is.
 
Cameron143 said:
These things have been explained to you many times. You let your emotions get in the way of truth. Read post #8400.

You are also a very disingenuous and dishonest person. You continue to use phraseology that misrepresents the Bible and ask questions but never answer any.

Just read post #8400 and learn what the Bible has to say about whether or not Jesus paid for sins universally. Maybe then you will set your emotions and false conceptions of God aside and see God as He actually is.
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Agree not in the Bible.

But you have a soteriology that is not in Bible.

And this is incorrect too

"Jesus only bore the sins of many, and not all."

The many are those who believe, not those he(not the god of the Bible) pre selected based on some unknowable, arbitrary, random selection process.
 
HeIsHere said:
Agree not in the Bible.

But you have a soteriology that is not in Bible.

And this is incorrect too

"Jesus only bore the sins of many, and not all."

The many are those who believe, not those he(not the god of the Bible) pre selected based on some unknowable, arbitrary, random selection process.
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You've already had it explained how it isn't arbitrary. God chose before the foundation of the world a people for Himself. Christ secured it.
The many are those who Christ bore in His body their sins. Same group I just mentioned above. So you can continue to believe God acted randomly and universally, but that isn't consistent with biblical teaching.
 
Cameron143 said:
You've already had it explained how it isn't arbitrary. God chose before the foundation of the world a people for Himself. Christ secured it.
The many are those who Christ bore in His body their sins. Same group I just mentioned above. So you can continue to believe God acted randomly and universally, but that isn't consistent with biblical teaching.
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It is well known that this is a huge problem in this soteriology, most people who come here with this soteriology just own it instead of trying to find ways to make it palatable

I actually do think you are in the faith, but I think you have sat under some very not good teaching but you are hard pressed to actually admit it because it will rock your world and the system you need to function in this world.

So in that sense I agree with @Kroogz as there are 4 or 5 of us here trying to pull you out.
But your choice.

Sad because you do have knowledge of the Bible.
 
HeIsHere said:
It is well known that this is a huge problem in this soteriology, most people who come here with this soteriology just own it instead of trying to find ways to make it palatable

I actually do think you are in the faith, but I think you have sat under some very not good teaching but you are hard pressed to actually admit it because it will rock your world and the system you need to function in this world.

So in that sense I agree with @Kroogz as there are 4 or 5 of us here trying to pull you out.
But your choice.

Sad because you do have knowledge of the Bible.
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I would make those same statements about you.
 
HeIsHere said:
More defelction, lol.
Anyway, need to put you ignore for a bit.
Time for a break.
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Right. Since I buried the issue of universal payment of sin, you lost one of your pillars of "truth". And since that is gone, your pillars of "selection" are crumbling. Pretty soon you will be forced to admit that the God of the Bible is very different than the one you have constructed.
 
Cameron143 said:
Right. Since I buried the issue of universal payment of sin, you lost one of your pillars of "truth". And since that is gone, your pillars of "selection" are crumbling. Pretty soon you will be forced to admit that the God of the Bible is very different than the one you have constructed.
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She makes quite a few statements that directly contradict what Scripture explicitly states, but I have
never seen her accept correction. She prefers mocking and scoffing and holding to her error, probably
because she is so in love with her philosophically based vain self-exalting Pelagian heresy. With
people like her, telling the truth to her lies does little good. It is so weird to see people like
that telling us how much they believe what the Bible says when they repeatedly contradict it.
 
Magenta said:
She makes quite a few statements that directly contradict what Scripture explicitly states, but I have
never seen her accept correction. She prefers mocking and scoffing and holding to her error, probably
because she is so in love with her philosophically based vain self-exalting Pelagian heresy. With
people like her, telling the truth to her lies does little good. It is so weird to see people like
that telling us how much they believe what the Bible says when they repeatedly contradict it.
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I think it earnestly stems from preconceived notions of God based on a misunderstanding of scripture. But showing that Christ didn't universally bear in His body the sins of all humanity should go a long way in helping people go back and reconsider the verses that they believe suggest otherwise. At least one can hope.
 
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