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You know my rules. An apology, and a commitment not to associate me (or fellow believers) with Nazis or the Holocaust in future without a firm justification, else we just can't have a rational discussion. (And why you would want to, if you really believed the former still puzzles me...)

I think that is very smart, I have fallen into the same ditch many times, not worth it at all!
 
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No doubt a record is being kept, of those against His will and those for it. Many documented videos of God's protection and defense of Israel with outright modern day miracles, only those in darkness can't see or believe them. If it wasn't for Almighty Abba watching over Israel, the haters would have erased God's designated nation and people long ago. To God be all the glory for His glorious magnificent ways and plans✝✡🙌

There are many documented videos of man & money protecting this state, and then others romanticizing and embellish it calling it "God's miracles". Money isn't God's, it's "ceasar's" (i.e., man's). This is why a thorough and complete study of the scriptures is paramount before venturing into any eschatology, because if we don't fully understand The Almighty's ways we will fail to distinguish His acts from the acts of others.

For example, The Almighty is a jealous God who doesn't want to share ANY credit for what He alone does. This is one of the core characteristics of the Eternal One. So if there will ever be a question of who contributed to a victory He sets the stage so that there will be no doubt:

- He told Gideon to reduce his army from 32,000 to just 300 (Judges 7)

- He chooses the smallest of all nations to display His Glory

- He choose the weak to shame the strong (1 Corinthians 1:27)

...because He alone wants the Glory.

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Now, at no point in modern history has the current state of Israel ever been the weakest millitary compared to any arab nation. Many people compare land masses, see that Israel is the smallest land mass, and then project weakness onto them ("oh look at how whittle Israel is compared to how big the muslims are..."), but that's not how millitary strength works. Israel has ALWAYS been the strongest millitary in the region upon its founding and I defy you to provide proof to the contrary.

They had the backing of the USA and Great Brittain and had the most committed millitary units than all arab nations combined. Today they have the most advanced war technology and defense capabilities, and a millitary budget that dwarfs their neighbors (thanks to the endless stream of free money that most western nations give them)....oh, and they have nuclear weapons.

They are the goliath of the region not the david. So far they have provoked a war with each of their neighbors in the past 2 years, claiming some unsubstantiated harm that justified it, while they commit tanks, jets and bombs against Hamas fighters hiding in caves (leveling every building across the entire landmass of Gaza just to kill people with no military).

When you know The Almighty ways, and I mean truly know them, you'd see His hand isn't in their military conquests because at no point does any of it need to point to Him.


Zechariah 4:6
Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
 
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There is no true or false Israel. Whole Israel is blind for the Messiah till he comes for to rescue them as the bible tells us so.
Till then Isarel is in a way under the protection of the Lord. We know the world/nations will finaly march against Israel. Maby we/Israel expierience present the beginning of this. What ever the reason is. Gaza or anything else.

If "Israel" is already under the protect of the Lord why do they need the Lord to come rescue them? And if they need the Messiah to come rescure them, are they currently under His protection in any way?

Both can't be true.
 
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Just downloaded it, it looks really good, the older writings are always the best!!
Thank you.

A bit of warning and heads-up. Mauro was a full preterist, so you will see that creeping in here and there. But his work applies equally well to partial preterism which I think is the most sensible view.
 
Yes indeed, what is weird, how if it is "wrapped up in religion" it works even better it seems.

When I think of this, I am realizing, it means that Christ Jesus is being used for propaganda purposes.
How bad is that!! :eek::cry:

Probably some book on this I should read, lol

It may interest you to know that the word propaganda is short for the Latin phrase, "Congregatio de Propaganda Fide," which translates to "Congregation for Propagating the Faith." In other words, propaganda means "to prophesy".



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In the Book of Revelation, the False Prophet is a key entity working with "the Antichrist" to deceive humanity during the end times. This is why I happen to believe the USA is this entity, because it was the first to perfect the mechanism of propaganda...but again, this is from my Historicist POV.
 
You need to get up to date. The nations already marched against Israel. God protected Israel and ensured that she survives and thrives to this day. The nations are again attacking Israel. Nothing new here, it's been on and off for nearly 80 years.

20 years ago, there were very few Christians in Israel and little interest. That has changed dramatically. Israelis are turning to Jesus. I've seen figures of 25,000 Jewish believers in Israel now. Note that there are virtually no Christians or Jews in the Middle East.
I see the marching of the nations against Israel in the future. What you have till today are not those event from what the bible says.
 
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If "Israel" is already under the protect of the Lord why do they need the Lord to come rescue them? And if they need the Messiah to come rescure them, are they currently under His protection in any way?

Both can't be true.

You are shure? The whole history of Israel proofs it.
 
A bit of warning and heads-up. Mauro was a full preterist, so you will see that creeping in here and there. But his work applies equally well to partial preterism which I think is the most sensible view.

Makes it even better, imo ;)
I thought I had heard that name before.
 
The Almighty is a jealous God who doesn't want to share ANY credit for what He alone does.
When the dust settles, there will be no doubt who rescued Israel! The Word says so, and Israel will know and acknowledge it.

Now, at no point in modern history has the current state of Israel ever been the weakest millitary compared to any arab nation.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/muslim-majority-countries

There are around 50 Muslim majority countries around the world.




Morocco 100%

Afghanistan 99.7%

Somalia 99.7%

Iran 99.5%

Tunisia 99.5%

Western Sahara 99.4%

Iraq 99.1%

Yemen 99.1%

Mauritania 99.1%

Mayotte 98.6%

Maldives 98.4%

Niger 98.3%

Comoros 98.3%

Turkey 98%

Algeria 97.9%

Palestine 97.9%

Azerbaijan 97.3%

Uzbekistan 97.1%

Jordan 97.1%

Djibouti 96.9%

Senegal 96.6%

Libya 96.6%

Pakistan 96.5%

Tajikistan 96.4%

Egypt 95.3%

Gambia 95.3%

Mali 94.6%

Turkmenistan 93%

Syria 92.8%

Saudi Arabia 92.7%

Bangladesh 90.8%

Sudan 90.7%

Kyrgyzstan 89.4%

Indonesia 87%

Oman 85.9%

Guinea 84.6%

Albania 82.1%

Sierra Leone 78.5%

Brunei 75.1%

Kazakhstan 72%

Kuwait 70.7%

Bahrain 69.7%

Malaysia 66.1%

Qatar 65.2%

Burkina Faso 62.7%

Lebanon 61.2%

Chad 55.1%

Nigeria 51.1%

Bosnia and Herzegovina 45%


It took two Muslims to take down the Twin Towers and put the world into chaos and murder thousands of people. It took Hitler with a diabolical vision to murder over 6 million people and send England to it's knees.




. So far they have provoked a war with each of their neighbors in the past 2 years, claiming some unsubstantiated harm that justified it

When exactly?

When you know The Almighty ways, and I mean truly know them, you'd see His hand isn't in their military conquests because at no point does any of it need to point to Him.

Ok so that's true of almost every war ever fought. And you're allowed to have your opinion. But that doesn't make it fact. Not even close.
 
There are many documented videos of man & money protecting this state, and then others romanticizing and embellish it calling it "God's miracles". Money isn't God's, it's "ceasar's" (i.e., man's). This is why a thorough and complete study of the scriptures is paramount before venturing into any eschatology, because if we don't fully understand The Almighty's ways we will fail to distinguish His acts from the acts of others.

For example, The Almighty is a jealous God who doesn't want to share ANY credit for what He alone does. This is one of the core characteristics of the Eternal One. So if there will ever be a question of who contributed to a victory He sets the stage so that there will be no doubt:

- He told Gideon to reduce his army from 32,000 to just 300 (Judges 7)

- He chooses the smallest of all nations to display His Glory

- He choose the weak to shame the strong (1 Corinthians 1:27)

...because He alone wants the Glory.

---

Now, at no point in modern history has the current state of Israel ever been the weakest millitary compared to any arab nation. Many people compare land masses, see that Israel is the smallest land mass, and then project weakness onto them ("oh look at how whittle Israel is compared to how big the muslims are..."), but that's not how millitary strength works. Israel has ALWAYS been the strongest millitary in the region upon its founding and I defy you to provide proof to the contrary.

They had the backing of the USA and Great Brittain and had the most committed millitary units than all arab nations combined. Today they have the most advanced war technology and defense capabilities, and a millitary budget that dwarfs their neighbors (thanks to the endless stream of free money that most western nations give them)....oh, and they have nuclear weapons.

They are the goliath of the region not the david. So far they have provoked a war with each of their neighbors in the past 2 years, claiming some unsubstantiated harm that justified it, while they commit tanks, jets and bombs against Hamas fighters hiding in caves (leveling every building across the entire landmass of Gaza just to kill people with no military).

When you know The Almighty ways, and I mean truly know them, you'd see His hand isn't in their military conquests because at no point does any of it need to point to Him.


Zechariah 4:6
Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
According to your biased record, if Israel, the size of NJ, has the strongest army, do you think they withstood the attack of five Arab countries by themselves? You do, surely GOD didn't help them, even with accounts of Arabs who said they saw ABRAHAM shaking his head at them no when about to kill a small group of Israeli army men, then dropped their rifles and ran. You and the others who side with another religious belief system could care less about God's will for this region. Too bad your group couldn't be planted in one of these nations that tried to take out Israel in 1948 and see how well you fit in. Who knows, you just might enjoy it😂 Btw, have a guess who's fighting who at Armageddon....and who's left standing. At Armageddon, Israel will be overwhelmed by the Antichrist armies(again) and the LORD JESUS CHRIST WILL RETURN TO SAVE THEM(ISRAEL)✝✡🙌🙌🙌
 
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Romans 11 v 25-29 ~ I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob. And this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins. Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account, but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs. For God’s gifts and His call are irrevocable.
 
At Armageddon, Israel will be overwhelmed by the Antichrist armies(again) and the LORD JESUS CHRIST WILL RETURN TO SAVE THEM(ISRAEL

Not credible in the least because no army can approach Israel as long as it has nukes. This is why the armies of the kings of the east go no further than the Euphrates River. But once Israel is destroyed by nukes the lord will return with his resurrected holy ones to battle and destroy the armies come against them at Armageddon
 
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