Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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No I am not ignoring in fact I have said several times what it represents
I have no interest in petty remarks sorryLOL,
Should we go check in on him make sure he is okay?
Ok, that's what you think? I showed you Christ using that sword in the Church Blain, not the nations. If you had read the scripture I had provided you would have realised that and not asked for proof I had already given.
You want us to have the mind of Christ but when I show you how Christ deals with His followers you say it is only Christ's authority and we are not to attack evil as He did?
We're done here Blain. You obviously have an agreeable personality, not everyone does. Paul was not always nice ... "you foolish Galatians" as one example. Nice is not a fruit of the Spirit and kindness sometimes hurts when lies are exposed. That's life.
If you showed me him using it against the church I must have missed it because I sure never saw that in the scripture here is what revelations says Revelation 19:15. This verse states that a sharp sword comes out of Jesus' mouth, with which he will strike down the nations and rule them with an iron rod
Now you can believe what it says or not but while your scripture you say it says something when it doesn't mine clearly states what it says as well as the other verxses I posted clear as day we are to encourage build up and bring each other to good works but you disregard this and for whatever reason refuse to accept it as God's word.
Not to mention let us say your right and that Christ is to bering a sword against the church that is Christ not us the bible and Jesus himself says how we are to treat one another do you disregard the words of Jesus as well?
“His grace is accomplishing what He intended by separating the believers from the unbelievers.”
“so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.”
Isaiah 55:11 KJV
“And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.”
Revelation 1:16 KJV
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16
Yeah from my own conclusions calvin believes we werent capable of doing anything any good because we’re inherantly evil so incapable I would agree with being associated with it
i was just meaning I think many people have differing ideas about what it means and that is in my opinion part of the problem . I would agree it seems to definately shout about “I can’t therefore I’m not responsible “
Yes, the think a person cannot respond positively to the gospel message unless they receive direct unique, divine, innate intervention and they believe people are born that way.
But they do like to harp on evilness, evilness, evilness and more evilness!!
Exactly . We receive the spirit after we hear the gospel as a result of believing what we heard
“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 10:44-45 KJV
It’s interesting to read that whole section what Peter was preaching to them and what they had already heard
“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.”
Acts 10:34-35 KJV
First he makes tbat statement then he reminds them of what they’ve already heard and then preached as they are listening they receive the spirit
“The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
that word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, ( apostles ) even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. ( great commission )
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
Acts 10:36-44 KJV
its pretty basic we hear something because it’s preached to us and we intentionally listen to what’s being said then we can hear it
It’s only after a person hears the gospel that they can believe the gospel and receive his spirit and be saved. That’s what I’m saying the other order does t have any basis first we’re saved ,and “regenerated “ then we’re capable hearing the gospel .
Believing the gospel is what makes us new we aren’t made new forst so we can accept the gospel because we’re already saved ….
Some people dont like it when you don’t agree with them and tell them how amazing what they are saying is I think that’s all it is.
Honestly as far as having differnt ideas that's what a discussion is for. I'd rather talk to @Cameron143 than most the the others with opposing ideas as me. He can present a rebuttal that dosent include the word heritic haha.
The problem is that most believe they are right in their own minds and so do not leave any room to consider they may be wrong and learn from it instead it seems it is my truth vs your truth and we go into all out war amongst each other. I disagree with certain things from some of my friends on here but we disagree in a respectful manner
I don't liike seeing all this discourse with each other
Yes and that is how it is supposed to work good for you my friend you have the right mindset for debates
Imagine raising our children while believing that principle
yea thisnpart is what I was saying before that of we all look at Jesus truth , and believe that’s the truth and agree there a lot of the arguments disintegrate because we wouldn’t all have different doctrines set in our hearts and we’d be humble e ough to accept and share with others Jesus truths in the gospel
which is gods truth not mine or yours but his
That's what makes you a Pelagian heretic: you do not believe what the Bible says of man.
You try to spin it that he is not such a bad guy and he is certainly not evil evil evil even though there
are none good, all sin, and sin is evil. But I get it. You hate hate hate the way God defines things, and
you love to mock and scoff at those who do believe what the Bible actually says. And according to
Jesus, Whose words you contradict and deny again, spiritual revelation is necessary to know Him.
Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
Matthew 16 verses 15-17 ~ What about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.
The evil of "the other guy".
A steady stream of stuff like this....
https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ercise-free-will.218061/page-330#post-5549142
Does this parable resonate with anybody? Remind you of anybody you know?
[Luk 18:9 KJV]
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
[Luk 18:10 KJV]
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[Luk 18:11 KJV]
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men [are], extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[Luk 18:12 KJV]
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[Luk 18:13 KJV]
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[Luk 18:14 KJV]
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
those to whom the gospel is foolishness understand the gospel ... they understand and consider it foolish.
From Believer's Bible Commentary (William MacDonald)
It will help us to understand the section that follows if we remember that the Corinthians, being Greeks, were great lovers of human wisdom. They regarded their philosophers as national heroes. Some of this spirit had apparently crept into the assembly at Corinth. There were those who desired to make the gospel more acceptable to the intelligentsia. They did not feel that it had status among scholars, and so they wanted to intellectualize the message. This worship of intellectualism was apparently one of the issues that was causing the people to form parties around human leaders. Efforts to make the gospel more acceptable are completely misguided. There is a vast difference between God’s wisdom and man’s, and there is no use trying to reconcile them. Paul now shows the folly of exalting men, and emphasizes that to do this is inconsistent with the true nature of the gospel (1 Cor 1:18–3:4). His first point is that the message of the cross is the opposite of all that men consider to be true wisdom (1Cor 1:18–25).
right ... this goes along the lines of what is written in 1 Cor 2:6-16 ... the problem is that some folks fold the simplicity of the gospel into the deeper spiritual matters which those who are unregenerate, or newborn babe in Christ, or a carnally minded christian cannot know ...Jackson129 said:
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