Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Pilgrimshope]

He believes that faith is one of the gifts of the spirit and that it is spiritually produced believing something is one thing faith the gift of the spirit is another

So … the person has already received the spirit ….pre hearing the gospel and then they can hear the gospel and believe after they have received the holy spirit ….promised to believers of the gospel ? After god gives them the spirit and gifts he gives to those in his body ?

 

[HeIsHere]

I’m pretty sure everyone has thier own definition of “calvanist” also

I would say "inability" being the defining false doctrine.

 

[Genez]

He believes that faith is one of the gifts of the spirit and that it is spiritually produced believing something is one thing faith the gift of the spirit is another

Faith is what humans believe to be true, concerning any matter in life.

The Faith we experience in regeneration receives a presence of supernatural power from the Spirit as to animate it in our souls.
Not only about where we are going.
But streetlights come on instantly in our thinking.

 

[Magenta]

I would say "inability" being he defining false doctrine.

Inability being what Jesus taught. And Paul. Peter too. It's part and parcel of why we need a savior.

The lost do not understand this. The gospel is hid to them (something
you deny), and they are blinded by the god of this world.

As is the rest of the world. That meaning, the lost: those in need of being saved.

Those for whom the gospel is yet foolishness.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I agree with the first part but I would reword the second part as anyone already saved has heard (past tense) the Gospel and believed (past tense).

Yeah one is the correct order the other is backwards

1 preach the gospel to every creature

2 whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved

Versus

If youre already saved , you shall believe the gospel.

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[sawdust]

You just contradicted yourself. If God's grace was effectual, it would literally accomplish what God desires since NOTHING (including man's "freewill") can thwart, obstruct or compromise God's PURPOSE! In 1Tim 2:4, God does accomplish his purpose since "all" men should be understood as "all" w/o distinction due to the context of the passage.

Huh? You're the one who says God's grace is effectual yet when I point out that His grace doesn't fulfill His own desires by saving everyone, you think I'm contradicting myself?

The problem is you think it is God's will to save who God wills and that is true, but you omit God's will is to include only believers in salvation and God doesn't decide who believes and who doesn't.

You also omit I said that God's grace is effectual when unbelievers are not saved as God never promised to save unbelievers so His will is being done in that instance too. His grace is accomplishing what He intended by separating the believers from the unbelievers.

 

[lrs68]

You haven't refuted anything! You're delusional. Besides...my only authority for determining what is true and what isn't doesn't rely on fallible, finite church fathers; rather on the infallible, eternal Word of God.

If you actually were using the Holy Word of God rather than applying your local Reformed Doctrine like a thesis then I might actually give you the respect you desperately seek. But since your answers don't include foundational Biblical truths then I will continue to treat you like I would anyone who makes up stuff and screams its in the Bible.

 

[sawdust]

Actually only peter is recorded to have a weapon Jesus never had such a thing his sword was metaphorical but his sword was to divide not to destroy

The sword He wielded in the Incarnation was a slice and dicer (divide) but the sword in His mouth now is a head chopper and it most definitely destroys. That is the point Blain. It's why we do not tolerate evil and Christians can, quite often, be the worst peddlers of evil.

 

[Blain]

So … the person has already received the spirit ….pre hearing the gospel and then they can hear the gospel and believe after they have received the holy spirit ….promised to believers of the gospel ? After god gives them the spirit and gifts he gives to those in his body ?

That is a bit confusing to me how can one recieve ths spirit pre hearing the gospel? we recieve it when we are born again not beforehand

 

[Blain]

The sword He wielded in the Incarnation was a slice and dicer (divide) but the sword in His mouth now is a head chopper and it most definitely destroys. That is the point Blain. It's why we do not tolerate evil and Christians can, quite often, be the worst peddlers of evil.

Ok but even so the scriptures are clear how we ought to treat each other 1 Thessalonians 5:11 states, "Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing." Other verses like Hebrews 3:13 and Hebrews 10:24-25 emphasize the importance of daily encouragement and meeting together to spur one another on toward love and good works.

 

[sawdust]

"Do to others as you would have them do to you" (Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31). This highlights the importance of putting yourself in another person's shoes and acting accordingly.
All the scripture you have showed you have tried to make it say something it isn't but the scriptures are clear here

I get it. You don't want to face the reality that Christ will chop one's head off if one persists in spreading lies. So be it.

 

[sawdust]

I have God regenerating an individual to bring about faith. Salvation comes when one believes.

Regeneration is salvation Cameron. If one is made alive, one is saved from death.

And you accused @Genez of gobbledygook.

 

[Blain]

I get it. You don't want to face the reality that Christ will chop one's head off if one persists in spreading lies. So be it.

Show me where the scripture states this where is your proof?

 

[Blain]

I get it. You don't want to face the reality that Christ will chop one's head off if one persists in spreading lies. So be it.

See the thing is your completely ignoring every verse I present to you and they are very clear how we are to treat each other when Jesus has a swrod that is his authority and his alone now again I present to you this 1 Thessalonians 5:11 states, "Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing." Other verses like Hebrews 3:13 and Hebrews 10:24-25 emphasize the importance of daily encouragement and meeting together to spur one another on toward love and good works.
What do you think this means or do you just ignore his word?

 

[sawdust]

Ok but even so the scriptures are clear how we ought to treat each other 1 Thessalonians 5:11 states, "Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing." Other verses like Hebrews 3:13 and Hebrews 10:24-25 emphasize the importance of daily encouragement and meeting together to spur one another on toward love and good works.

Go tell that to those who have consistently insulted and denigrated others in this thread. Why pick on @Genez when he had said nothing insulting that I saw?

He's a straight shooter. Some people can't handle that personality and get all defensive which is what I am seeing you do. @studier brought up the point about people testing which is very apt as we need to respond to the message and not get caught up in personality quibbles.

You cannot build someone up if their base is a lie, this is why we debate. You need to deal with that or as I said, if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen but stop telling others how they must act. That is the Lord's job not yours.

 

[sawdust]

Show me where the scripture states this where is your proof?

Don't be blind. I showed you the sword Christ's wields in His glorified sate. Go look it up if you don't believe me but don't insult me by inferring I haven't showed you.

 

[sawdust]

See the thing is your completely ignoring every verse I present to you and they are very clear how we are to treat each other when Jesus has a swrod that is his authority and his alone now again I present to you this 1 Thessalonians 5:11 states, "Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing." Other verses like Hebrews 3:13 and Hebrews 10:24-25 emphasize the importance of daily encouragement and meeting together to spur one another on toward love and good works.
What do you think this means or do you just ignore his word?

Right and you're not ignoring the verses I showed you? Puuleese!

 

[Blain]

Go tell that to those who have consistently insulted and denigrated others in this thread. Why pick on @Genez when he had said nothing insulting that I saw?

He's a straight shooter. Some people can't handle that personality and get all defensive which is what I am seeing you do. @studier brought up the point about people testing which is very apt as we need to respond to the message and not get caught up in personality quibbles.

You cannot build someone up if their base is a lie, this is why we debate. You need to deal with that or as I said, if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen but stop telling others how they must act. That is the Lord's job not yours.

Actually I got on to both @Genez and @Cameron143 about this and if I saw anyone else doing it I wouild correct them as well the Difference is that @Genez seems to want to justify their arguing and the way they speak while @Cameron143 seems to have settled down a bit

This exhortation is for everyone not just them in particular

 

[Blain]

Don't be blind. I showed you the sword Christ's wields in His glorified sate. Go look it up if you don't believe me but don't insult me by inferring I haven't showed you.

Firstly I am not insulting you because all you did was show that he had this sword you never showed any verse that had to do with this sword and how it relates to how we should treat one another.

Secondly I provided clear scripture as to how we ought to treat each other your scripture that you speak of in Revelations only shows his authoirty and has nothing to do with the church it says he will use it against the nations of the world read your bible please

 

[HeIsHere]

Puuleese!

Hey watch it, that is my word, lol
Alright I will lend it to you for occasional use when warranted!