The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

[GWH]

There is nothing necessary nor even possible that one can do to receive the gift - in its fullness, it is given freely to those chosen for it, by the exceeding mercy and grace of God through Jesus Christ the Savior - no one deserves it. As long as we believe we must contribute in some way to receiving it, by that, we demonstrate that do not yet have it, instead, if we are able to do so (as only those saved can do so), we are to fully trust and rest in that which Christ had achieved, it being fully sufficient in itself for salvation, not seeking to add anything to it. Now, after receiving it, it is an entirely different matter. Much is expected/demanded by God from those saved. They are to live in a Christ and God glorifying manner, sharing the true gospel of Christ with everyone at every possible opportunity, for no one knows beforehand who is of the elect and who isn't. The requirements imposed by God after salvation are far greater than those imposed for salvation which are no requirements whatsoever.
In a spiritual sense, being a child of God is strictly limited to those whom He elected unto salvation and has saved. In that sense, the gift is exactly the same between all. Those whom God did not elect, will never become saved, are not His spiritual children, nor will/can they ever be made so. They can never, ever receive the gift.

Your answer is nonsensical (and I note you provide no substantiating Scripture), because it is obvious that in order
to receive a gift one must accept and open it, but you indicate that God opens it and forces the recipient to keep it--
but only the favored few. Sorry Rog, but that doesn't jibe with a whole bunch of Scripture beginning with the 7 pearls
and Romans 1-5 below. The stumbling-block to a correct interpretation seems to be your unfounded belief that faith
or opening the gift means "one deserves it", when it is merely the non-meritorious condition of opening the gift. BTW,
if God hates half of humanity, there is no guarantee that you are not deceived by thinking you are not included in that half,
because no one knows "afterhand" who is of the elect, either. By believing you have it, you demonstrate that you do not have it.

Anyway, please go ahead and share your understanding of the following (perhaps a few/five at a time):

1. Romans 1:16 says the Gospel reveals that (s/e) is for “everyone who believes”, both Jew and Gentile.

2. Romans 1:17 describes s/e as “righteousness from God” that is by faith “from first to last” or from creation until the end.

3. Romans 2:4 teaches that God’s kindness or patience with sinners is meant to lead them toward repentance, which implies that sinners are able to repent because of God’s leading.

4. Romans 2:5 warns that those who do not repent but instead stubbornly resist God’s leading are storing up wrath against themselves for the day when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed, which implies that God enables sinners to repent–or not (cf. Deut. 30:19).

5. Romans 2:6 affirms what is called karma by saying that “God will give to each person according to what he has done”, which (in Gal. 6:7-9) is called reaping what a person sows.

6. Romans 2:7 speaks of the need for “persistence in doing good” and seeking glory, honor and immortality in order to receive s/e or eternal life, which echoes what Jesus commanded (in Matt. 7:7) and connects with the doctrine of perseverance (cf. Heb. 10:36 & Jam. 1:3-4).

7. Romans 2:11 teaches that “God does not show favoritism” (cf. Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17), which is how God judges people justly, so the fact that some sinners ignore God’s Gospel indicates that His will or leading is resistible because of MFW.

8. Romans 2:15 teaches that sinful souls have a conscience or awareness of “the requirements of the law”, which may be combined with Romans 1:20 to teach that God’s power and moral nature or will may be perceived via creation and conscience (called natural revelation), thus those unfamiliar with God’s Word in Scripture have no good reason for resisting divine leading and choosing atheism/evil.

9. Romans 3:20-21 states the law makes souls conscious of sin and that “the Law and Prophets testify” or prepare the way for the new revelation of righteousness from God apart from the Law, which takes up where Romans 1:17 left off.

10. Romans 3:22a says that “righteousness from God” or s/e comes through faith “in Jesus Christ” (cf. Eph. 2:8), a phrase Paul used eleven times in Ephesians 1:3-14 to indicate s/e.

11. Romans 3:22b says that God’s righteousness is given “to all who believe—there is no difference”” signifying that all sinners may believe or be s/e (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, John 3:16, Tit. 2:11), because there is no favoritism (#7).

12. Romans 3:23 teaches that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”, meaning that no one can be good enough to earn salvation because of their own merit.

13. Romans 3:24 says sinners “are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus” (via faith per v.22, cf. 3:27-28); s/e is free because Christ paid the price/cost.

14. Romans 3:25a explains redemption as being “a sacrifice of atonement” for those who have faith in Christ’s work of dying in their place.

15. Romans 3:25b further explains that God demonstrated his just patience (#3) or forbearance in leaving unpunished those sins committed before the revealing of the Gospel (foreshadowed in Gen. 22:8 & 13), implying that sinners had/have the opportunity to believe and be s/e thereby demonstrating God’s justice/not showing favoritism (#11).

16. Romans 3:26 continues to emphasize divine justice by declaring it three ways (“justice…, just…, justifies”), which justness is synonymous with righteousness (2Thes. 1:5-6, Heb. 6:10).

17. Romans 4:1-25 presents Abraham as a Gentile who became the physical father of the Jews and the spiritual father of all who choose to have faith in God/Christ.

18. Romans 5:1 echoes Eph. 2:8 by describing s/e as justification through faith, Eph. 1:5 & 7 by using the phrase “through Jesus Christ”, and Eph. 2:14 by describing s/e as having peace with God.

19. Romans 5:2 & 5 also echo Eph. 2:18 & 3:1 by describing s/e as having access to God’s grace via the Holy Spirit.

20. Romans 5:6-10 states that God’s love (cf. kindness in #3) for the ungodly, for sinners and for His enemies is demonstrated by Christ dying for their s/e or justification/reconciliation.

Over...

 

[rogerg]

Your answer is nonsensical (and I note you provide no substantiating Scripture), because it is obvious that in order
to receive a gift one must accept and open it, but you indicate that God opens it and forces the recipient to keep it--
but only the favored few. Sorry Rog, but that doesn't jibe with a whole bunch of Scripture beginning with the 7 pearls
and Romans 1-5 below. The stumbling-block to a correct interpretation seems to be your unfounded belief that faith
or opening the gift means "one deserves it", when it is merely the non-meritorious condition of opening the gift. BTW,
if God hates half of humanity, there is no guarantee that you are not deceived by thinking you are not included in that half,
because no one knows "afterhand" who is of the elect, either. By believing you have it, you demonstrate that you do not have it.

Anyway, please go ahead and share your understanding of the following (perhaps a few/five at a time):

1. Romans 1:16 says the Gospel reveals that (s/e) is for “everyone who believes”, both Jew and Gentile.

2. Romans 1:17 describes s/e as “righteousness from God” that is by faith “from first to last” or from creation until the end.

3. Romans 2:4 teaches that God’s kindness or patience with sinners is meant to lead them toward repentance, which implies that sinners are able to repent because of God’s leading.

4. Romans 2:5 warns that those who do not repent but instead stubbornly resist God’s leading are storing up wrath against themselves for the day when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed, which implies that God enables sinners to repent–or not (cf. Deut. 30:19).

5. Romans 2:6 affirms what is called karma by saying that “God will give to each person according to what he has done”, which (in Gal. 6:7-9) is called reaping what a person sows.

6. Romans 2:7 speaks of the need for “persistence in doing good” and seeking glory, honor and immortality in order to receive s/e or eternal life, which echoes what Jesus commanded (in Matt. 7:7) and connects with the doctrine of perseverance (cf. Heb. 10:36 & Jam. 1:3-4).

7. Romans 2:11 teaches that “God does not show favoritism” (cf. Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17), which is how God judges people justly, so the fact that some sinners ignore God’s Gospel indicates that His will or leading is resistible because of MFW.

8. Romans 2:15 teaches that sinful souls have a conscience or awareness of “the requirements of the law”, which may be combined with Romans 1:20 to teach that God’s power and moral nature or will may be perceived via creation and conscience (called natural revelation), thus those unfamiliar with God’s Word in Scripture have no good reason for resisting divine leading and choosing atheism/evil.

9. Romans 3:20-21 states the law makes souls conscious of sin and that “the Law and Prophets testify” or prepare the way for the new revelation of righteousness from God apart from the Law, which takes up where Romans 1:17 left off.

10. Romans 3:22a says that “righteousness from God” or s/e comes through faith “in Jesus Christ” (cf. Eph. 2:8), a phrase Paul used eleven times in Ephesians 1:3-14 to indicate s/e.

11. Romans 3:22b says that God’s righteousness is given “to all who believe—there is no difference”” signifying that all sinners may believe or be s/e (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, John 3:16, Tit. 2:11), because there is no favoritism (#7).

12. Romans 3:23 teaches that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”, meaning that no one can be good enough to earn salvation because of their own merit.

13. Romans 3:24 says sinners “are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus” (via faith per v.22, cf. 3:27-28); s/e is free because Christ paid the price/cost.

14. Romans 3:25a explains redemption as being “a sacrifice of atonement” for those who have faith in Christ’s work of dying in their place.

15. Romans 3:25b further explains that God demonstrated his just patience (#3) or forbearance in leaving unpunished those sins committed before the revealing of the Gospel (foreshadowed in Gen. 22:8 & 13), implying that sinners had/have the opportunity to believe and be s/e thereby demonstrating God’s justice/not showing favoritism (#11).

16. Romans 3:26 continues to emphasize divine justice by declaring it three ways (“justice…, just…, justifies”), which justness is synonymous with righteousness (2Thes. 1:5-6, Heb. 6:10).

17. Romans 4:1-25 presents Abraham as a Gentile who became the physical father of the Jews and the spiritual father of all who choose to have faith in God/Christ.

18. Romans 5:1 echoes Eph. 2:8 by describing s/e as justification through faith, Eph. 1:5 & 7 by using the phrase “through Jesus Christ”, and Eph. 2:14 by describing s/e as having peace with God.

19. Romans 5:2 & 5 also echo Eph. 2:18 & 3:1 by describing s/e as having access to God’s grace via the Holy Spirit.

20. Romans 5:6-10 states that God’s love (cf. kindness in #3) for the ungodly, for sinners and for His enemies is demonstrated by Christ dying for their s/e or justification/reconciliation.

Over...

Okay, I have absolutely no intention of going through these verses to explain the error of your interpretations. Further, I don't appreciate, nor do I respond favorably to, being given assignments. I've already provided you with more than enough information to assist you in understanding, so, at this point, it is your responsibility to conduct whatever further research and analysis that you deem necessary. I'm out.

 

[Ouch]

The indwelling of the Holy Ghost was the baptism that I was baptized with - it was spiritual baptism and the only one of eternal spiritual significance.

So why did you pick just that question out of all I posted?

Any chance you can back that up with HIS word?

How do we get rid of our sins?

How do you know you have the Holy Ghost?

 

[Ouch]

I don't understand your post. Speaking in tongues has nothing to do with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
The indwelling of the Holy Spirit occurs when one is saved, and which results in their spiritual rebirth.

In every recored acts of someone being filled with the Holy Ghost they spoke in tongues, why would you it has nothing to do with it?

Back up what you say with HIS word, where does it say "indwelling of the Holy Spirit occurs when one is saved"

 

[Ouch]

Oh yes, indeed. Are you unaware that the name of our website is "truthseekersfellowship.com"?

Amen to it not being about us winning an argument, but rather about learning the right interpretation of GW--
if that is what you meant.

Acts records the early days of the church era, but it does NOT teach the foundational doctrines of salvation
as explicitly as the didactic parts of the gospels and epistles.

We get rid of sin by accepting the Gospel/Jesus as Lord and then learning the rest of GW,
as Paul explicitly taught in Ephesians 4:11-5:20, etc. (The short version is 2Tim. 3:15-17.)

Love is good/godly/God.

Sorry to reply again, this must have gotten over looked.

OK I have always told you how about keep it simple.

Tell me what a person has to do to be reborn.

Use what ever verse you like.

BUT keep in mind JESUS said we need REBORN of water and of spirit.

SCRIPTURE how we get born of water.

SCRIPTURE how we get born of the spirit.

I'm hell bound and you want me to go to Heaven what must I do? Of course scripture which makes it very clear.

We don't want anyone to be confused, it could lead down the wrong path.

 

[GWH]

Okay, I have absolutely no intention of going through these verses to explain the error of your interpretations. Further, I don't appreciate, nor do I respond favorably to, being given assignments. I've already provided you with more than enough information to assist you in understanding, so, at this point, it is your responsibility to conduct whatever further research and analysis that you deem necessary. I'm out.

I understand. Learning GW involves a lifetime of effort with an open mind.
The results of my labor of love are shared on our website <truthseekersfellowship.com>
for your edification if you are ever inclined to use it as a resource.
Happy trails until we talk again.

 

[rogerg]

n every recored acts of someone being filled with the Holy Ghost they spoke in tongues, why would you it has nothing to do with it?

Being filled with the Holy Spirit and being indwelt with the Holy Spirit are two different things. Everyone who becomes saved
is indwelt, but that doesn't mean they are also filled to speak in tongues or for any other reason. Being filled with the Holy Spirit
happened on a case-by-case basis as God desired for certain specific situations in which He wanted to communicate, demonstrate,
or confirm certain spiritual truths, but that did not happen for everyone. I believe it is true that those filled with the Holy Spirit had also
been indwelt with the Holy Spirit first, but if I recall correctly, our discussion had been about when someone receives the Holy Spirit
which is when they are indwelt not filled. Once indwelt, He never leaves.

 

[rogerg]

How do you know you have the Holy Ghost?

Read 1 Co. chapter 2.

 

[GWH]

Sorry to reply again, this must have gotten over looked.

OK I have always told you how about keep it simple.

Tell me what a person has to do to be reborn.

Use what ever verse you like.

BUT keep in mind JESUS said we need REBORN of water and of spirit.

SCRIPTURE how we get born of water.

SCRIPTURE how we get born of the spirit.

I'm hell bound and you want me to go to Heaven what must I do? Of course scripture which makes it very clear.

We don't want anyone to be confused, it could lead down the wrong path.

I have shared GRFS simply and elaborately as follows (Lesson 2 on <truthseekersfellowship.com>):

A crisis that threatened a Philippian jailer with death prompted him to ask Paul and Silas the most important question in life: “What must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30) This question regarding GRFS is most important, because—as sinful and mortal souls—we need saving from corruption, both moral and physical. We need saving from physical death if we value or enjoy life, and we need saving from immorality or evil-doing if it results in unhappy existence, especially after this lifetime.

The reply of Paul and Silas was this: “Believe in the Lord Jesus.” (Acts 16:31) This is GRFS simply. Jesus Himself expressed GRFS even more simply using three, four and five letter words: “Ask… seek… knock…” (Matt. 7:7).

The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6). The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:

1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (Deut. 6:4, John 3:16, 2Thes. 1:6), who is both able (2Tim. 1:12) and willing (1Tim. 2:3-4, Ezek. 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (Rom. 3:23, 2Tim. 3:2-4, Col. 3:5), miserable (Gal. 5:19-21), and hopeless (Eph. 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (Matt. 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (John 3:18, Rom. 2:5-11).
3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31, Phil. 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (Rom. 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1Cor. 15:14-28).
4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (Luke 2:11, John 14:6, Acts 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (Matt. 22:37-40, John 13:35, Rom. 13:9)—forever (Matt. 10:22, Psa. 113:2).
5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept/love Him (Rev. 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (John 14:6, 17&26, Rom. 8:6-17, Gal. 6:7-9, Eph. 1:13-14, Heb. 10:36, 12:1, Jam. 1:2-4).

When Jesus said "You must be born again" he referred to being "born of the Spirit" (John 3:7-8) = SB.

 

[Wansvic]

Look, I'm not going to go through each of the verses you posted to refute your interpreation of them, or it would take me all day to do so. I'll just ask you this: what does it mean that Jesus alone is THE Savior?

Please provide the scripture reference.

 

[Wansvic]

Hebrews 6:1-2 alludes to the foundational kerygma regarding repentance, faith in God, resurrection and judgment
as well as to secondary doctrines about cleansing rites and laying on hands, but it does not teach what any of these mean,
so WB and receiving the HS are words you added to GW, which nowhere after Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:18 teaches that WB is required for salvation and that laying on hands is required for receiving the HS, which leads a person to understand that those outward rites/works
follow being saved/SB via inward faith and so are comparable to outward circumcision, which also is optional.

Hebrews 6:1-2 does not allude to anything, it specifically lists the foundation components:

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb. 6:1-2


Those who neglect to believe and obey God where the foundation is concerned are considered foolish builders; destined to hear, "I never knew you." (Matthew 7:21-27, Luke 6:46-49)

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great."


"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."

 

[Wansvic]

...
Acts records the early days of the church era, but it does NOT teach the foundational doctrines of salvation
as explicitly as the didactic parts of the gospels and epistles.
...

Paul's first epistle was written to the Galatians during his first missionary trip to Antioch. (around 49 AD) In the epistle, Paul explains believers are placed into Christ through baptism:
"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." (Gal. 3:26-27, Acts 2:36-38, Rom. 6:3-6)

Around 51 AD, Paul writes 1 Thessalonians from Corinth where he starts the Corinthian church.
1 Thessalonians 1:5-The gospel came not in word only but also in power and in the Holy Ghost. Those who obey the gospel message shall receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
Note Paul's journey in Thessalonica and afterward to Corinth is recorded in Acts 17-18:11. Clearly, water baptism was part of the gospel message Paul preached. (Acts 18:8)

2 Thessalonians-Paul speaks of Jesus Christ taking vengeance on those who do not obey the gospel. How does one obey the gospel; the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus? See Acts 2:36-38.

53 AD, Paul instructs 12 Ephesians concerning the need to be baptized in the name of Jesus. They obey Paul, and upon the laying on of hands the 12 receive the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in tongues. (Acts 19:1-7) This is the word of truth the gospel of salvation referenced in Ephesians 1:13.

55 AD, Paul writes 1 Corinthians from Ephesus where he stayed with the 12 men he baptized in Jesus' name. They instruct others concerning the gospel of Jesus Christ. (Acts 19:1-10) Note Paul's comments to the Corinthians concerning water baptism being in the name of Jesus. (1 Cor. 1:13-15)

57 AD, Paul writes Romans which includes an explanation of baptism. In baptism believers are buried with Jesus into His death whereby their sins are destroyed. (Rom. 6:3-6) This points to what is expressed in Acts 2:36-42 and elsewhere.

58-60 AD, While imprisoned Paul writes the Ephesians epistle where he reminds the church of how they trusted in Jesus after hearing the word of truth, the gospel of salvation and were sealed with the Holy Ghost. This is a direct reference to what occurred as recorded in Acts 19; specifically verses 1-7. And, it parallels what is expressed in the first message presented at Pentecost. (Acts 2:36-42)

61 AD, Paul being under house arrest writes Philippians.
It is believed that Lydia was the first convert of the church of Philippi.
"And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was being made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
And a certain woman named Lydia, ...which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. And when she (Lydia) was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. Acts 16:13-15

Something else related to the beginning of the church in Philippi was Paul's casting out demons from a slave girl caused he and Silas to be thrown into prison. What they experienced was for a good reason. The Philippian jailer and his family heard the word of God and obeyed the command to be baptized. (Acts 16:16–40)

62 AD, Paul wrote Colossians; wherein he explains, yet again, it is in baptism that believers are buried with Jesus. (Col. 2:9-14)

 

[Wansvic]

It is interesting to me that when the Judaisers were insisting that Gentile believers needed to be circumcised and keep Moses' law, Paul went and debated out the issue with the other apostles (Acts 15). There was no such objection from Paul to requiring baptism in Jesus name for a convert to be received into the church as a genuine believer, where Paul insisted water baptism was not necessary..

Where in scripture did Paul insist water baptism was not necessary?

 

[Wansvic]

I would suggest that the New Covenant was cut, i.e. began when Jesus, as the first human Christian church member, received from His Father on Resurrection Sunday morning, approval for His sacrifice of Himself, and was given back His glory as per Zec. 3 and John 20:17.

Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Zec 3:1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
5 And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.
6 And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,
7 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.


And I would suggest that the Holy Spirit was given to the Ten (the Eleven minus Thomas) and those with them on Resurrection Sunday evening when Jesus breathed on them and said "Receive the Holy Spirit, after they had believed in His death and resurrection, and confessed Him as Lord."

Jhn 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost."
Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Jesus revealed when repentance and remission of sin would begin to be preached in His name in association with His death, burial and resurrection:

Luke 24:46-49
"And (Jesus) said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And ye are witnesses of these things.
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high."

 

[GWH]

Hebrews 6:1-2 does not allude to anything, it specifically lists the foundation components:

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment." Heb. 6:1-2


Those who neglect to believe and obey God where the foundation is concerned are considered foolish builders; destined to hear, "I never knew you." (Matthew 7:21-27, Luke 6:46-49)

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great."


"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."

Re "allude" vs. "lists": Why do you want to quibble?

Re Acts as the "foundation": I already shared that "Acts records the early days of the church era,
but it does NOT teach the foundational doctrines of salvation as explicitly as the didactic parts of the gospels and epistles",
so let us let move the discussion forward rather than go in circles.

Re foundation in Matt. 7:21-27 & Luke 6:46-49: That refers to Christ, as in Matt. 16:16-18.

Rain is good; floods are bad.

 

[rogerg]

Please provide the scripture reference.

So, you didn't answer my question. Is that because you aren't a Christian and do not believe Christ is the Savior?
It's actually difficult for me to believe that is really what you're asking, but for the time being, I'll proceed on the assumption that you don't believe He is. Here are the verses from scripture you asked for that demonstrate otherwise.
What is your understanding of Christ's role if not as the Savior?

[Phl 3:20 KJV] 20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
[2Ti 1:10 KJV] 10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
[Tit 2:13 KJV] 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
[Tit 3:6 KJV] 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
[2Pe 1:1, 11 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: ...
11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
[2Pe 2:20 KJV] 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[2Pe 3:18 KJV] 18 But grow in grace, and [in] the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him [be] glory both now and for ever. Amen.
[1Jo 4:14 KJV] 14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.

 

[GWH]

Paul's first epistle was written to the Galatians during his first missionary trip to Antioch. (around 49 AD) In the epistle, Paul explains believers are placed into Christ through baptism:
"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." (Gal. 3:26-27, Acts 2:36-38, Rom. 6:3-6)

Around 51 AD, Paul writes 1 Thessalonians from Corinth where he starts the Corinthian church.
1 Thessalonians 1:5-The gospel came not in word only but also in power and in the Holy Ghost. Those who obey the gospel message shall receive the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:38)
Note Paul's journey in Thessalonica and afterward to Corinth is recorded in Acts 17-18:11. Clearly, water baptism was part of the gospel message Paul preached. (Acts 18:8)

2 Thessalonians-Paul speaks of Jesus Christ taking vengeance on those who do not obey the gospel. How does one obey the gospel; the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus? See Acts 2:36-38.

53 AD, Paul instructs 12 Ephesians concerning the need to be baptized in the name of Jesus. They obey Paul, and upon the laying on of hands the 12 receive the Holy Ghost as evidenced by speaking in tongues. (Acts 19:1-7) This is the word of truth the gospel of salvation referenced in Ephesians 1:13.

55 AD, Paul writes 1 Corinthians from Ephesus where he stayed with the 12 men he baptized in Jesus' name. They instruct others concerning the gospel of Jesus Christ. (Acts 19:1-10) Note Paul's comments to the Corinthians concerning water baptism being in the name of Jesus. (1 Cor. 1:13-15)

57 AD, Paul writes Romans which includes an explanation of baptism. In baptism believers are buried with Jesus into His death whereby their sins are destroyed. (Rom. 6:3-6) This points to what is expressed in Acts 2:36-42 and elsewhere.

58-60 AD, While imprisoned Paul writes the Ephesians epistle where he reminds the church of how they trusted in Jesus after hearing the word of truth, the gospel of salvation and were sealed with the Holy Ghost. This is a direct reference to what occurred as recorded in Acts 19; specifically verses 1-7. And, it parallels what is expressed in the first message presented at Pentecost. (Acts 2:36-42)

61 AD, Paul being under house arrest writes Philippians.
It is believed that Lydia was the first convert of the church of Philippi.
"And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was being made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.
And a certain woman named Lydia, ...which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. And when she (Lydia) was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. Acts 16:13-15

Something else related to the beginning of the church in Philippi was Paul's casting out demons from a slave girl caused he and Silas to be thrown into prison. What they experienced was for a good reason. The Philippian jailer and his family heard the word of God and obeyed the command to be baptized. (Acts 16:16–40)

62 AD, Paul wrote Colossians; wherein he explains, yet again, it is in baptism that believers are buried with Jesus. (Col. 2:9-14)

I appreciate the work you did to make that chronology. I will see how well I can reply using my phone.
Re Galatians you will notice that Paul does not say which type of baptism he has in mind but given that Romans is the main context we can bet that it is NOT the work of WB.
Re 1Thessalonians: Ditto
Re 2Thessalonians: We can infer that WB is approved as the apt way of professing Christ outwardly.
More later.

 

[Ouch]

Being filled with the Holy Spirit and being indwelt with the Holy Spirit are two different things. Everyone who becomes saved
is indwelt, but that doesn't mean they are also filled to speak in tongues or for any other reason. Being filled with the Holy Spirit
happened on a case-by-case basis as God desired for certain specific situations in which He wanted to communicate, demonstrate,
or confirm certain spiritual truths, but that did not happen for everyone. I believe it is true that those filled with the Holy Spirit had also
been indwelt with the Holy Spirit first, but if I recall correctly, our discussion had been about when someone receives the Holy Spirit
which is when they are indwelt not filled. Once indwelt, He never leaves.

 

[Ouch]

Read 1 Co. chapter 2.

So the question is how do you know you have the Holy Ghost?

And you tell me to Read 1 Co. chapter 2.

How will me reading that tell me how you know you got the Holy Ghost or not?

YOU WOULD KNOW, Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; (((they shall speak with new tongues))

 

[rogerg]

How will me reading that tell me how you know you got the Holy Ghost or not?

It describes the traits of those indwelt by the Holy Spirit and the gifts given them - traits that I believe I also have been given and possess. Did you actually read it?

YOU WOULD KNOW, Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; (((they shall speak with new tongues))

Wrong, it is you who doesn't understand.
Speaking with "new tongues" is not the same biblically as speaking "in tongues" or "with tongues" - you have them confused. New tongues is in the speaking/teaching of the of the New Covenant- the gospel - a covenant of salvation exclusively by God's mercy and grace through Jesus Christ the Savior - only those saved - those with the Holy Spirit - they follow Christ and were given true knowledge and belief in that New Covenant. They alone speak with new tongues - the unsaved cannot do so because they do not/cannot truly know it- it comes only with/from salvation. That speaking of the New Covenant is the new tongue. Speaking with the tongue of the Old Covenant - a covenant of works - speaks of a covenant which does not/cannot bring salvation and thereby is ready to vanish away.
Speaking in tongues was one of the manifestations of being filled temporarily (after being indwelt permanently) with the Holy Spirit. Speaking with new tongues is permanent because salvation is permanent.

So, do you believe that Jesus Christ alone is the Savior, or not?