The Kerygma - God's Requirement for Salvation

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Why would you say I disapprove of HIS word?

The ONLY thing clear to me is YOU DO NOT KNOW HIS WORD and say things that are NOT TRUE.

Do you have ANY IDEA of the danger your in????

REPENT, GET BAPTIZED IN JESUS NAME to GET RID OF YOUR SINS and if I know JESUS he LOVES you just as much as anyone else HE WILL FILL YOU WITH HIS SPIRIT.

Disapprove? Freudian slip?

Almost everything I think I know of GW is shared with CC folks to use as a resource on the website <truthseekersfellowship.com>

The only danger I perceive is getting sucked in to playing verbal ping-pong with you.

Again, I AM baptized both ways, my sins are forgiven because of being credited with Christ's righteousness,
I know Jesus loves me as much as He loves you, and He fills me with His Spirit every time I need patience with persecutors.
 
Disapprove? Freudian slip?

Almost everything I think I know of GW is shared with CC folks to use as a resource on the website <truthseekersfellowship.com>

The only danger I perceive is getting sucked in to playing verbal ping-pong with you.

Again, I AM baptized both ways, my sins are forgiven because of being credited with Christ's righteousness,
I know Jesus loves me as much as He loves you, and He fills me with His Spirit every time I need patience with persecutors.
The ONLY resource you should use IS GODS WORD, IT HIS WORD, IT'S HIS WORD why look anywhere else???

I can't say it enought IT'S HIS WORD.

The danger you should think about is saying things that are not true.

You know they are not true becuase when I ask you to back them up, YOU CAN'T.

JESUS LOVES US ALL THE SAME.

I'm confused why would he fill you with his spirit when you need it?

When you get it, he will not leave unless you go back on the dark side where he can not go?
 
Did you read the verses I included in my prior post to you?

I excerpted this part to answer your question. Do you see below that God first takes away the stony heart - the heart of the unsaved that was founded upon law and written in stone - replacing it with a new heart of flesh, founded upon mercy, grace, and Christ?

[Eze 36:26-27 KJV]
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

At this point I think we're pretty much just going back and forth to no real benefit except to debate. So, I'll just leave what
I've posted with you as a take it or leave it proposition - your choice which - and will not be continuing this particular discussion further.
Of course I will respond and you have the choice not to if you wish.

It does say he will give us a new heart, but when? It does not say when.

After we are hubble our selves and obey his word and get reborn he goes to work on us to get the old stuff out and make room for the new.

How to get reborn, believe, repent (turn and go a different way) get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins and JESUS fills us with HIS spirit.

How could he change our heart if he's not inside of us???

GOD BLESS YOU.
 
The ONLY resource you should use IS GODS WORD, IT HIS WORD, IT'S HIS WORD why look anywhere else???

I can't say it enought IT'S HIS WORD.

The danger you should think about is saying things that are not true.

You know they are not true becuase when I ask you to back them up, YOU CAN'T.

JESUS LOVES US ALL THE SAME.

I'm confused why would he fill you with his spirit when you need it?

When you get it, he will not leave unless you go back on the dark side where he can not go?

We all should be concerned that what we believe aligns with GW.
I was confused at the age of twenty, but I have grown less so by the age of 75.
By now I am quite confident that GW teaches the following Gospel and condition for salvation:

The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6).
The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4, EZK 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
  4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
  5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept/love Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
(Sorry GW as cited does not turn blue.)
 
We all should be concerned that what we believe aligns with GW.
I was confused at the age of twenty, but I have grown less so by the age of 75.
By now I am quite confident that GW teaches the following Gospel and condition for salvation:

The normative way of stating the kerygma/GRFS in the NT is “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord” (as in 2Cor. 4:5 & Col. 2:6).
The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4, EZK 33:11) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) or hell-bound at the judgment (MT 23:33 & 25:46) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18, RM 2:5-11).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ and incarnate Son, the way that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11) of providing salvation by means of his atoning death on the cross for the payment of the penalty for the sins of humanity (RM 3:22-25 & 5:9-11), followed by his resurrection to reign in heaven (1CR 15:14-28).
  4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to repent and accept God’s justification in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
  5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept/love Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning Truth/God’s Word/sanctification everyone cooperates fully with His will (JN 14:6, 17&26, RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
(Sorry GW as cited does not turn blue.)
I think it's great you are seeking, are you still?

I ONLY ask this OUT OF LOVE.

It's not about ME being right, I have NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

You jump past the book of Acts which is the building of the church THE FOUNDATION of salavation.

And I would ask you, since we are born in sin and sin separates us from GOD.

How do we get rid of it?
 
I think it's great you are seeking, are you still?

I ONLY ask this OUT OF LOVE.

It's not about ME being right, I have NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

You jump past the book of Acts which is the building of the church THE FOUNDATION of salavation.

And I would ask you, since we are born in sin and sin separates us from GOD.

How do we get rid of it?

Oh yes, indeed. Are you unaware that the name of our website is "truthseekersfellowship.com"?

Amen to it not being about us winning an argument, but rather about learning the right interpretation of GW--
if that is what you meant.

Acts records the early days of the church era, but it does NOT teach the foundational doctrines of salvation
as explicitly as the didactic parts of the gospels and epistles.

We get rid of sin by accepting the Gospel/Jesus as Lord and then learning the rest of GW,
as Paul explicitly taught in Ephesians 4:11-5:20, etc. (The short version is 2Tim. 3:15-17.)

Love is good/godly/God.
 
After we are hubble our selves and obey his word and get reborn he goes to work on us to get the old stuff out and make room for the new

As demonstrated by the "I will" and "will I" in Eze 36:26 below, we are informed that of His own volition, and without regard to any external contribution, approval, acceptance, or work from those affected, God, by Himself, accomplishes all, neither imposing nor placing any prerequisites or conditions whatsoever upon those whom He will change. At a time of His choosing, for those He elected unto salvation from before the foundation of the world, He individually places them under the New Covenant, and in so doing, they are accordingly changed. For them, it is neither optional nor conditional but strictly unilateral from God to man, not bilateral, such that any response is required nor possible to bring it to fruition.

[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
 
Nope, we don't, nor can we do anything to become saved. We wholly are at God's mercy for salvation - it only comes by/through God's grace - a free gift unto those whom He had elected to salvation from before the foundation of the world. That is what makes Christ the Savior and not man - that salvation is given, freely and completely, as a gift through God's grace, from/by/through Christ unto those chosen for it. Should we trust in anything besides Christ alone as the Savior, that demonstrates God's wrath upon us.

[Heb 1:3 KJV] 3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

[Rom 5:15-17 KJV]
15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as [it was] by one that sinned, [so is] the gift: for the judgment [was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift [is] of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Obedience is the key that opens the door to salvation. "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Heb. 5:9

Jude explains there is a common salvation and it can be found in what was first preached by the saints/apostles. (Jude 3)

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto
you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine...(Acts 2:36-42)


Jesus said:
"Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Mark 16:15-16

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matt. 28:19

"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;" John 8:31



"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." Matt. 7:21-27
 
Acts records the early days of the church era, but it does NOT teach the foundational doctrines of salvation
as explicitly as the didactic parts of the gospels and epistles.
...
Acts does teach the foundational doctrines of salvation. The epistles actually point back to what is recorded there. An example is found in Hebrews.

The foundational elements recorded in Hebrews 6:1-2 align perfectly with what is expressed in the initial message presented at Pentecost. Belief/faith in Jesus, repentance, water baptism, and receiving the Holy Ghost that will result in resurrection of the dead; and have eternal consequences.

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."

Principle - a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.
 
Jude explains there is a common salvation and it can be found in what was first preached by the saints/apostles. (Jude 3)

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Look, I'm not going to go through each of the verses you posted to refute your interpreation of them, or it would take me all day to do so. I'll just ask you this: what does it mean that Jesus alone is THE Savior?
 
Oh yes, indeed. Are you unaware that the name of our website is "truthseekersfellowship.com"?

Amen to it not being about us winning an argument, but rather about learning the right interpretation of GW--
if that is what you meant.

Acts records the early days of the church era, but it does NOT teach the foundational doctrines of salvation
as explicitly as the didactic parts of the gospels and epistles.

We get rid of sin by accepting the Gospel/Jesus as Lord and then learning the rest of GW,
as Paul explicitly taught in Ephesians 4:11-5:20, etc. (The short version is 2Tim. 3:15-17.)

Love is good/godly/God.
OK I have always told you how about keep it simple.

Tell me what a person has to do to be reborn.

Use what ever verse you like.

BUT keep in mind JESUS said we need REBORN of water and of spirit.

SCRIPTURE how we get born of water.

SCRIPTURE how we get born of the spirit.

I'm hell bound and you want me to go to Heaven what must I do?
 
As demonstrated by the "I will" and "will I" in Eze 36:26 below, we are informed that of His own volition, and without regard to any external contribution, approval, acceptance, or work from those affected, God, by Himself, accomplishes all, neither imposing nor placing any prerequisites or conditions whatsoever upon those whom He will change. At a time of His choosing, for those He elected unto salvation from before the foundation of the world, He individually places them under the New Covenant, and in so doing, they are accordingly changed. For them, it is neither optional nor conditional but strictly unilateral from God to man, not bilateral, such that any response is required nor possible to bring it to fruition.

[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
When Peter gave us the fist message that was promised, did people hear and obey?

If they didn't do you think it would end in the same results of verse 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 2:37-41
King James Version
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
 
When Peter gave us the fist message that was promised, did people hear and obey?

If they didn't do you think it would end in the same results of verse 41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Acts 2:37-41
King James Version
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

It had to end the way it did, but theoretically speaking, to become saved (if that's what you're asking), there is nothing that a man
can do or not do that will affect it - those to be saved were already chosen exclusively and completely by God's volition (from before the foundation of the world) and He unconditionally implements that choice according to His own timing. Otherwise, it would be of our works and not grace. That was pretty much the point of my prior post to you. Did you understand it?
 
As demonstrated by the "I will" and "will I" in Eze 36:26 below, we are informed that of His own volition, and without regard to any external contribution, approval, acceptance, or work from those affected, God, by Himself, accomplishes all, neither imposing nor placing any prerequisites or conditions whatsoever upon those whom He will change. At a time of His choosing, for those He elected unto salvation from before the foundation of the world, He individually places them under the New Covenant, and in so doing, they are accordingly changed. For them, it is neither optional nor conditional but strictly unilateral from God to man, not bilateral, such that any response is required nor possible to bring it to fruition.

[Eze 36:26 KJV] 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Your interpretation indicates that "you" includes all, so do you intend to advocate universal salvation?
 
Acts does teach the foundational doctrines of salvation. The epistles actually point back to what is recorded there. An example is found in Hebrews.

The foundational elements recorded in Hebrews 6:1-2 align perfectly with what is expressed in the initial message presented at Pentecost. Belief/faith in Jesus, repentance, water baptism, and receiving the Holy Ghost that will result in resurrection of the dead; and have eternal consequences.

"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."

Principle - a fundamental truth or proposition that serves as the foundation for a system of belief or behavior or for a chain of reasoning.

Hebrews 6:1-2 alludes to the foundational kerygma regarding repentance, faith in God, resurrection and judgment
as well as to secondary doctrines about cleansing rites and laying on hands, but it does not teach what any of these mean,
so WB and receiving the HS are words you added to GW, which nowhere after Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:18 teaches that WB is required for salvation and that laying on hands is required for receiving the HS, which leads a person to understand that those outward rites/works
follow being saved/SB via inward faith and so are comparable to outward circumcision, which also is optional.
 
It had to end the way it did, but theoretically speaking, to become saved (if that's what you're asking), there is nothing that a man
can do or not do that will affect it - those to be saved were already chosen exclusively and completely by God's volition (from before the foundation of the world) and He unconditionally implements that choice according to His own timing. Otherwise, it would be of our works and not grace. That was pretty much the point of my prior post to you. Did you understand it?
Yea, I do understand what you are saying.

That is why there in ONE GOD and ONE WORD and so many different donomanions and alterateration to his word.

Men, get involved.

You WILL not find specific instruction's on how to be saved after the book of Acts, BECAUSE those are letters to those who have ALREADY BEEN REBORN off the milk and on the meat saints.

The first message on how to be reborn is very clear and to confirm it, HIS give us 3 more examples of people being reborn.

The Samaritans in Acts 8, they heard the gospel and obeyed was baptized in Phillip had to send for Peter and John to finish the work they started because they did not received the Holy Ghost, days later they did.

The Gentiles in Acts 10 they heard the same message and JESUS filled them with the Holy Ghost and Peter COMMANDED them to be baptized.

Acts 19, Fokes was baptized by John had to be rebaptized in JESUS name but Paul asked them, have YOU received the Holy Ghost since you have believed? They never hear of the Holy Ghost.
Paul spoke to them they were baptized in JESUS name and he laid hands on them and THEY received the Holy Ghost.

In every case they were baptized in JESUS name and spoke in tongues.

Have YOU received the Holy Ghost SINCE YOU HAVE BELIEVED? How were you baptized?

What does the word John mean in Hebrew?

In Hebrew, the name John, or more accurately, its Hebrew form Yohanan (יוֹחָנָן), means "God is gracious" or "God has shown favor", according to Ancestry.com and Robert Tippett. It's a compound name derived from "Yo" (a shortened form of God's name, Yahweh) and "hanan" (meaning "to be gracious"), says Abarim Publications.
Therefore, when you see the name John in Hebrew, you are seeing a name that signifies God's graciousness or favor.

We are saved by grace, GOD graciously gives us the water to be baptized in to get rid of our sins.

Sin separate's us from HIM, can't ENTER Heaven with it..

Again, Have YOU received the Holy Ghost SINCE YOU HAVE BELIEVED? How were you baptized?
 
Again, Have YOU received the Holy Ghost SINCE YOU HAVE BELIEVED? How were you baptized?

No, I received the Holy Spirit before I believed - He came first and from Him I believed.

[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
 
In the verse you quoted (Eze. 36:26), which mentions "you/r" four times.
So, who do you exclude from you/universalism/God's doing?

The "you" are those God makes His own out of the heathens, with the "you" not being "all". Only God knows who those are but is not everyone. God did not choose to reveal His choices beforehand- but it is a multitude so great that "no man could number".

[Eze 36:24 KJV] 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.