Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Actually, your belief system insinuates it

again, you can deny it. It does not make it false though


And you ascribe based on your belief system a system wqe call fatalism.

Studying for a year? what??


If justice and love are not united. then God is not perfect.


Your example fails because God has shown time and time again when people are open to hearing his word. he gives it to them, when

God made the choice based on his will

That whoever sees and believes.

You take faith out of it for whatever reason. and make God force people who would never believe to believe. and keep others lost and in the dark. because he does not act on them

then claim God is a loving god.
Appreciate the discussion. Grace and peace.
 
Has the end come?

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

He could of shared it with every one. Or not. There is truly no way to know that.

That passage is one of the many conditions to the end times. Such as the man of sin has to be revealed. Also if there are still people to be born yet that need it revealed to them. The end still wouldn't be here
 
It staggers the imagination that large swaths of people who left no traces of Christianity either with artifacts or writings actually received the gospel. While I cannot say this with 100% certainty, I can say it with a high degree of certainty.
Every culture on earth has some form of religion. And anthropologists have studied these cultures concerning the various aspects of those religions. Evidence would exist in those cultures if the God of glory made Himself known.

I was told on here when I asked the same question. That God revealed himself though creation and all the natural wonders. To those who didnt hear the gospel. So they are still without excuse.
 
Who are the FWers?
Are you asking for a list of names. or... ???

A lot of them (those who espouse the free will of the unregenerate) are Pelegian heretics. Many of them minimize what the Bible has to say about humanity, so he is not such a bad guy after all, and they rewrite passages of the Bible to suit their vain man-exalting theology. For instance, when it says none are good over and over and over again and even in the words of Jesus Christ, according to some of them that refers only to atheists, and it is only atheists who choose to sin... I guess for everyone else their sins are just oopsies, and although they live in sin and are enemies of God and children of wrath refusing to come into the light as lovers of darkness opposed to the spiritual things of God etc they are still good. They tell us everyone hears even though that is not what the Bible says. The Bible says the natural man is blinded to the truth, the gospel is foolishness to them, they can either receive nor comprehend the spiritual things of God... but, oh, they will say 1 Cor 2:14 does not include the gospel even though Scripture explicily says the gospel is foolishness to them. They say the gospel is not hid even though Scripture says the opposite. Man, the list of ways and means they contradict and deny what Scripture actuallt says is a growing list already quite long.

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Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
 
I was told on here when I asked the same question. That God revealed himself though creation
and all the natural wonders. To those who didnt hear the gospel. So they are still without excuse.
Man is without excuse because he knows God exists through the work of His hands in creation.

Does creation proclaim the gospel?

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Romans 1 v 20-21 Since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts.
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I was told on here when I asked the same question. That God revealed himself though creation and all the natural wonders. To those who didnt hear the gospel. So they are still without excuse.
That's true. All mankind is accountable before God.
 
Are you asking for a list of names. or... ???

A lot of them (those who espouse the free will of the unregenerate) are Pelegian heretics. Many of them minimize what the Bible has to say about humanity, so he is not such a bad guy after all, and they rewrite passages of the Bible to suit their vain man-exalting theology. For instance, when it says none are good over and over and over again and even in the words of Jesus Christ, according to some of them that refers only to atheists, and it is only atheists who choose to sin... I guess for everyone else their sins are just oopsies, and although they live in sin and are enemies of God and children of wrath refusing to come into the light as lovers of darkness opposed to the spiritual things of God etc they are still good. They tell us everyone hears even though that is not what the Bible says. The Bible says the natural man is blinded to the truth, the gospel is foolishness to them, they can either receive nor comprehend the spiritual things of God... but, oh, they will say 1 Cor 2:14 does not include the gospel even though Scripture explicily says the gospel is foolishness to them. They say the gospel is not hid even though Scripture says the opposite. Man, the list of ways and means they contradict and deny what Scripture actuallt says is a growing list already quite long.

Pelagianheretics.png

Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
No sorry I wasn't clear. I meant what is a FWer but now I get it. Free Willers.

I have repented of that. Salvation is of the Lord
 
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trust = faith = belief = [gift of God]

FTFY since God alone deserves all the credit for his elect's faith. Man's will does not put us in Christ Jesus even though you boast that it does (1Cor 1:30-31)
 
If you believe fair means just and impartial, then sure. But if you mean by fair equal treatment, then no. I think most people's understanding of fairness has to do with equal treatment.

The term "fair" in my M-W Collegiate dictionary has eleven (11) definitions. And one of its synonyms is "just".
 
Man is without excuse because he knows God exists through the work of His hands in creation.

Does creation proclaim the gospel?

Romans1-20-21s.png

Romans 1 v 20-21 Since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts.
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IF man can not and would not ever repent of what they have done, and cried out for God to save them.

then by definition. you have given them an excuse.
 
to them, anyone who thinks God holds everyone accountable for receiving his gift in faith. or rejecting his gift in unbelief

How are saints held "accountable for receiving his gift of faith"? My bible tells me that there's no condemnation (judicial accountability) for those who have received the gift (Jn 3:18; Rom 8:1, etc.)
 
No sorry I wasn't clear. I meant what is a FWer but now I get it. Free Willers.

I have repented of that. Salvation is of the Lord
That is good to know. Terms like libertarian free will get mentioned once in a while, but having the ability to choose what colour of socks to wear really has zero bearing on the eternal fate of one's soul, and seems to be just another smoke-and-mirrors' distraction from the point of what the Bible actually teaches on the estate of man and the incurable wickedness of his heart, which is not good ground for growing the Seed of God's Word into the good fruit of faith. Just another point for them to twist away from, about it not being possible for a bad tree to bring forth good fruit. I suspect that plays into why they minimize the wickedness of man. One says man did not become really bad until the flood as if murdering your brother is not that bad after all. Adam had one thing not to do and he did it. That is man's problem. He puts himself on the throne. Another thing is these FWers largely refuse to admit that man's inability is not exclusively taught in Calvinism. They have knee jerk reactions to terms like depravity also, which are not exclusive to Calvinism either. I mention that because a lot of them have what is known as CDS (Calvinism Derangement Syndrome).
 
IF man can not and would not ever repent of what they have done, and cried out for God to save them.

then by definition. you have given them an excuse.

And if IFs and BUTs were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas, too. You're going to argue against Gods' fairness on pure conjecture??? :rolleyes: Can you provide any biblical text of people wherein they "cried out for God to save them" and He responded by flipping them the bird?
 
How are saints held "accountable for receiving his gift of faith"? My bible tells me that there's no condemnation (judicial accountability) for those who have received the gift (Jn 3:18; Rom 8:1, etc.)
thery are held accountable for the decision they made.

He who believes is not condemned

he who does not believe is condemned already..
 
And if IFs and BUTs were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas, too. You're going to argue against Gods' fairness on pure conjecture??? :rolleyes: Can you provide any biblical text of people wherein they "cried out for God to save them" and He responded by flipping them the bird?
I am arguing based on his character and what he says about himself

He claims to the a perfect judge.

there is no perfect judge in fatalism.. only a dictator who forces one group to believe. and with holds even the possibility of another to be saved