The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”

[Psalm1]

Chapter and verse?

I just thought of another verse. In the Bible in Romans, chapter eleven, where it says the God cut his Jewish covanant people off and that we, the gentiles, the Gentile covenant church, was grafted in. God goes on to say if I cut them off. How much more could I also cut you off?
I can look that one up also if you're not familiar with it.

 

[Magenta]

Also in the produgal pairable, the father never went after the son that departed from his father's family and from his father himself
It was only the effort of the produgal that he would save and restored back to the Father.
Saved ( belonged to the father...then departed into sin)
vivid depiction of departing the faith, and it would be ridiculous to try and say "he never was family" (saved)

that parable alone prohibits a "he never was saved" theory.

I can look that one up also, if people are not familiar with it

Thanks for the examples. This one seems to contradict the earlier Hebrews one you gave in post number 2018.

 

[Psalm1]

Thanks for the examples. This one seems to contradict the earlier Hebrews one you gave in post number 2018.

The produgal repented and returned unassisted.

I understand 100% osas as a "fact"

It is a fact in that the covenant we have with God is unbreakable.
Unbreakable by God.
I also understand that carnal rebellious believers are most likely saved in spite of their behavior...because.... Paul said in 1 Corinthians " Some are saved as through fire, they are saved, but they're works are burned up because they're works are would hey and stubble..
Our covenant is powerful.

My thoughts are that some do in fact walk away and hate God.
Were they ever saved?
I think some were and some were not.

I have my own osas slogan.
"All those people that we see in heaven, and all the people that we will see in heaven, were once saved and always saved."

Most of these doctrinal debates are a ball batted back and forth.
It is fun debating those concepts.

I like most of your thoughts and posts.
I can tell you love Jesus.

 

[Mariae]

It blows my mind how many people on various Christian forum sites teach salvation by works at the front door and/or back door and also suffer from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome.

Brings back painful memories for me growing up in the Roman Catholic church. SELF promotion, SELF righteousness, SELF preservation, along with fear and bondage to insecurity makes me sick!

"Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." - St. Ignatius of Antioch

 

[Subhumanoidal]

"Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." - St. Ignatius of Antioch

It may benefit you to know this is a Protestant site and the majority of users do not accept Catholicism. The same is true of the sites (as in owners) official stance.
Pushing Catholicism and its teachings puts you at risk of being banned.
I've seen countless Catholics join and be upset by this and try to debate other users. It does not ever work. No one's mind is ever changed and, as stated previously, get banned.
I'm just supplying the info for you. Whether or not you choose to heed it is up to you. But now you know.

 

[Mariae]

It may benefit you to know this is a Protestant site and the majority of users do not accept Catholicism. The same is true of the sites (as in owners) official stance.
Pushing Catholicism and its teachings puts you at risk of being banned.
I've seen countless Catholics join and be upset by this and try to debate other users. It does not ever work. No one's mind is ever changed and, as stated previously, get banned.
I'm just supplying the info for you. Whether or not you choose to heed it is up to you. But now you know.

Thank you for your warning.
Romans 1:16 – "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes."

 

[mailmandan]

Thank you for your warning.
Romans 1:16 – "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes."

What do you believe the gospel IS and also what do you believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel?

 

[Mariae]

"Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." - St. Ignatius of Antioch

I never tried to start a debate. I respectfully posted a quote from a holy person I look up to, and that shouldnt be a problem, if it is, I apologize for the inconvenience.

 

[Mariae]

What do you believe the gospel IS and also what do you believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel?

No need for debate. Just respect. To me, the gospel is the good news that Jesus Christ came to save us through His death and resurrection. Believing the gospel means putting your trust in Him, turning from sin, and following Him in faith every day. I may be Catholic, which i know most if not all of you dislike, but my love for Jesus is something we all share. Like Galatians 6:14 says, I boast only in the cross—and I’m not ashamed of the gospel, just like Romans 1:16 says. Can we focus on our Christianity likeness and not our denominational differences? We all love the Good Lord, let's respect one another with love unceasing. Amen. 💞💞💞
“I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.” > — 1 Corinthians 1:10