At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?
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“You don’t see a correlation that Christ was baptized for remission of sins yet he had no sin .
Andsinners repenting and believing in him , then being baptized into his name for remission of sins ?”
“I cannot make out what this means besides you assuming you think you know what I believe when I already know you do not.”
You should be able to now . Why do you take everything as a personal insult ? I havent said anything about you or what you believe magneta. Hardly have spoken to you in the past mi the and have never told anyone “ what you believe . “ or said anything but complimentary things about you to others …..you guys take people disagreeing with in a discussion you really personally. I just responded to what you said to me .
and “ what did you say no such thing “ I have no clue what your referencing
Andsinners repenting and believing in him , then being baptized into his name for remission of sins ?”
“I cannot make out what this means besides you assuming you think you know what I believe when I already know you do not.”
You should be able to now . Why do you take everything as a personal insult ? I havent said anything about you or what you believe magneta. Hardly have spoken to you in the past mi the and have never told anyone “ what you believe . “ or said anything but complimentary things about you to others …..you guys take people disagreeing with in a discussion you really personally. I just responded to what you said to me .
and “ what did you say no such thing “ I have no clue what your referencing
You responded to what I wrote but part of it it was unintelligible. "asp tou don’t see"
I do not know what that means.
Well, I specifically quoted what I was referencing. And the fact remains that there is nothing in Scripture saying the thing you did that I quoted. And I don't take everything you say as a personal insult, why must you falsely accuse me? if he hadn’t been baptized ours wouldn’t mean a thing and we couldn’t be baptized into him <= there is zero in Scripture about this, I quoted that specifically but you claim not to know what I am talking about and make it about something else. I don't know why you do that. I asked a legitimate question and you wander off into the weeds and accuse me of things and refuse to answer my question. Maybe that is why, you simply have no answer? I really don't know, why can you not simply answer whether or not you ever consider that Jesus was baptized at the outset of His ministry because it was required of priests? What you said has zero backing in Scripture, what I have asked about does. I thought this was a discussion forum but too many make it something else. I am actually genuinely curious about how others view Jesus being baptized into His earthly ministry as was required of priests according to Scripture, and also many are completely unaware of this requirement to begin with.
I do not know what that means.
Well, I specifically quoted what I was referencing. And the fact remains that there is nothing in Scripture saying the thing you did that I quoted. And I don't take everything you say as a personal insult, why must you falsely accuse me? if he hadn’t been baptized ours wouldn’t mean a thing and we couldn’t be baptized into him <= there is zero in Scripture about this, I quoted that specifically but you claim not to know what I am talking about and make it about something else. I don't know why you do that. I asked a legitimate question and you wander off into the weeds and accuse me of things and refuse to answer my question. Maybe that is why, you simply have no answer? I really don't know, why can you not simply answer whether or not you ever consider that Jesus was baptized at the outset of His ministry because it was required of priests? What you said has zero backing in Scripture, what I have asked about does. I thought this was a discussion forum but too many make it something else. I am actually genuinely curious about how others view Jesus being baptized into His earthly ministry as was required of priests according to Scripture, and also many are completely unaware of this requirement to begin with.
I don't mean to alarm you, as that sounded quite ominously. I was just making light of when we know that scripture is speaking in literal terms and when it is speaking in spiritual realities. And conclusively it all can only come down to each individual's personal convictions. For example, I should not even try and convince you to not eat pork, for example, and neither should you try and convince me that I should (if, indeed, I happen to actually be under a conviction to refrain from it). What counts is if we do, or if we refrain from doing, in faith. Wouldn't you agree with that?
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I will tell everyone that bacon (pork) is bad for you and it makes you unclean in a health sense.
Yes, bacon can be considered unhealthy due to its high levels of saturated fat, salt, and potential carcinogenic compounds. The World Health Organization has classified processed meats, including bacon, as a Group 1 carcinogen, meaning there's strong evidence they cause cancer. However, moderate consumption of bacon in a balanced diet may not be a significant health risk.
Yes, bacon can be considered unhealthy due to its high levels of saturated fat, salt, and potential carcinogenic compounds. The World Health Organization has classified processed meats, including bacon, as a Group 1 carcinogen, meaning there's strong evidence they cause cancer. However, moderate consumption of bacon in a balanced diet may not be a significant health risk.
I will give you an example from all those months ago.
People were complaining about Cameron asking questions.
What exactly you said about it I do not recall.
I do remember saying people were denigrating his tactic of asking questions.
You then said you were told you were denigrating Cameron.
But that is not what I said at all.
And this thing that people do, in slightly changing what people say so it comes out as something completely different to what was actually said, gets done a lot here. And when this is pointed out, the fur flies because the person misinterpreting what was said refuses to own up to reading something wrong or not comprehending properly. Just like when you said I claimed people did not make choices (that is a paraphrase) when I have never said any such thing. People make choices out of their nature. There is a clear distinction made in Scripture between the natural man and the spiritual man at the heart of all this but you told me you have no idea what I am talking about when I articulate these distinctions. You say things like you want to discuss with people who believe what Scripture says while you make claims that contradict what Scripture says, but you do not seem to see yourself in that.
People were complaining about Cameron asking questions.
What exactly you said about it I do not recall.
I do remember saying people were denigrating his tactic of asking questions.
You then said you were told you were denigrating Cameron.
But that is not what I said at all.
And this thing that people do, in slightly changing what people say so it comes out as something completely different to what was actually said, gets done a lot here. And when this is pointed out, the fur flies because the person misinterpreting what was said refuses to own up to reading something wrong or not comprehending properly. Just like when you said I claimed people did not make choices (that is a paraphrase) when I have never said any such thing. People make choices out of their nature. There is a clear distinction made in Scripture between the natural man and the spiritual man at the heart of all this but you told me you have no idea what I am talking about when I articulate these distinctions. You say things like you want to discuss with people who believe what Scripture says while you make claims that contradict what Scripture says, but you do not seem to see yourself in that.
My friend, you know what the scriptures say in the area of baptism in water, but you emphasize it too much. You must examine the whole of scripture to see the meaning of it.
Jesus getting baptized in water by John was to fulfill the requirement of the Levitical law. It was not theater. He did it to remain innocent of the Law's accusations.
John was a Levitical Priest. Jesus was presenting Himself as the Lamb of God, as John even said "Behold, the Lamb of God...!"
For the Passover lamb, Exodus is clear about its qualifications: "Your lamb shall be without blemish..." This is both inward and outward purity.
So the greatest Levitical priest sees the Lamb of God, declares the truth of the lamb, washes the lamb, and God immediately declares the Lamb worthy:
“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” All witnesses who heard immediately knew the sacrifice was accepted.
Jesus and John, only, were the ones "fulfilling all righteousness" at that time because the standard at that time was the law.
By this moment, Jesus demonstrated the length and depth of His commitment to us, whom He loved: He would give up His own life for our sake.
Again, not theater but, rather, a clear declaration of the His Father's plan for His life.
Our water baptism is into His actual death. We don't get dunked in water to fulfill righteousness. By believing in Christ we are included in Him. And the right for Death to take us was done away with by His sacrifice. This is what this passage in Romans means:
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
See His connection to the Passover Lamb, again?! And see how, in Christ, we are found innocent of sin: through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. This was the example we were given: the sin of all rests on the Passover lamb: Death has no right to us.
It doesn't say "believe and is baptized"... just "believe".
It cannot be more clear.
We get dunked in water to (I'm paraphrasing here to take it out of a religious-sounding act) to declare we are dead with Him from the law that accuses us and condemn us. The law has no bearing on a dead person. The promise of THAT is life from God: the SAME LIFE Christ received when He was raised from the dead.
In this: HE is the propitiation. Not He and our water baptism. He. Him. Christ, the Lamb of God. Through faith all who believe this enter into Him and are thereby included in the One who personified the righteousness of God.
Jesus getting baptized in water by John was to fulfill the requirement of the Levitical law. It was not theater. He did it to remain innocent of the Law's accusations.
John was a Levitical Priest. Jesus was presenting Himself as the Lamb of God, as John even said "Behold, the Lamb of God...!"
For the Passover lamb, Exodus is clear about its qualifications: "Your lamb shall be without blemish..." This is both inward and outward purity.
So the greatest Levitical priest sees the Lamb of God, declares the truth of the lamb, washes the lamb, and God immediately declares the Lamb worthy:
“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” All witnesses who heard immediately knew the sacrifice was accepted.
Jesus and John, only, were the ones "fulfilling all righteousness" at that time because the standard at that time was the law.
By this moment, Jesus demonstrated the length and depth of His commitment to us, whom He loved: He would give up His own life for our sake.
Again, not theater but, rather, a clear declaration of the His Father's plan for His life.
Our water baptism is into His actual death. We don't get dunked in water to fulfill righteousness. By believing in Christ we are included in Him. And the right for Death to take us was done away with by His sacrifice. This is what this passage in Romans means:
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
See His connection to the Passover Lamb, again?! And see how, in Christ, we are found innocent of sin: through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. This was the example we were given: the sin of all rests on the Passover lamb: Death has no right to us.
It doesn't say "believe and is baptized"... just "believe".
It cannot be more clear.
We get dunked in water to (I'm paraphrasing here to take it out of a religious-sounding act) to declare we are dead with Him from the law that accuses us and condemn us. The law has no bearing on a dead person. The promise of THAT is life from God: the SAME LIFE Christ received when He was raised from the dead.
In this: HE is the propitiation. Not He and our water baptism. He. Him. Christ, the Lamb of God. Through faith all who believe this enter into Him and are thereby included in the One who personified the righteousness of God.
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Haha I didn’t see it as ominous I just honestly didn’t understand what you meant .
Yeah that’s sort of what I’m saying faith relies on personal conviction . And certainly I shouldnt try to impose dietary laws upon another Christian who understands what food you eat means nothing in Christ . Or if I strictly observe the sabbath , then I shouldn’t try to impose the sabbath observance on you . I assume your drawing from Roman’s 14.
this is in regards to those who observe tbe law d those who understand they died to it through Christ
baptism isn’t an ordinance of the law is how I would answer tbat it’s the doctrine of Christ.
what you said about “ conviction “ however yes that’s faith you o my do something by faith because you hears God tell you to do it and tell you what the result will be
Like this
“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:37-38 KJV
You could have a hundred people hear it and half might say “ I don’t believe that “ the other half might say “amen I believe it “
only the ones who believe what’s spoken will bother acting upon it the others will see it as nonsense because they don’t believe what you said
In Christ we act based on the information we’re given by Jesus and his apostles when it comes to these subjects we argue about constantly if we believe it we’re going to act if we don’t believe it’s true we won’t
Yeah that’s sort of what I’m saying faith relies on personal conviction . And certainly I shouldnt try to impose dietary laws upon another Christian who understands what food you eat means nothing in Christ . Or if I strictly observe the sabbath , then I shouldn’t try to impose the sabbath observance on you . I assume your drawing from Roman’s 14.
this is in regards to those who observe tbe law d those who understand they died to it through Christ
baptism isn’t an ordinance of the law is how I would answer tbat it’s the doctrine of Christ.
what you said about “ conviction “ however yes that’s faith you o my do something by faith because you hears God tell you to do it and tell you what the result will be
Like this
“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:37-38 KJV
You could have a hundred people hear it and half might say “ I don’t believe that “ the other half might say “amen I believe it “
only the ones who believe what’s spoken will bother acting upon it the others will see it as nonsense because they don’t believe what you said
In Christ we act based on the information we’re given by Jesus and his apostles when it comes to these subjects we argue about constantly if we believe it we’re going to act if we don’t believe it’s true we won’t
“you know what the scriptures say in the area of baptism in water, but you emphasize it too much. You must examine the whole of scripture to see the meaning of it.”
yeah what’s baptism about apostle Paul …
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-7 KJV
What’s baptism aboit Peter ?
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
What’s baptism about apostle Paul ?
“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, ( remission of sins ) wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
Colossians 2:11-13
maybe I should just start talking about levites and reject what the apostles taught baptism is about
but naw I don’t think ignoring what Jesus and his apostles taught about a basic doctrine is a good idea
baotism is about what the apostles said it’s about and
“water baptism “ is refered to as baptism in the Bible rather than look to levites look to the apostles
“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
Acts 8:35-36, 38 KJV
“Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:47-48 KJV
would you explain to the apostles who taught ehats above about baptism that they were over emphasizing it ? It’s half of the great commission …..
can you acknowledge what Paul and the apostles taught baptism is brother ?
yeah what’s baptism about apostle Paul …
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-7 KJV
What’s baptism aboit Peter ?
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
What’s baptism about apostle Paul ?
“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, ( remission of sins ) wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;”
Colossians 2:11-13
maybe I should just start talking about levites and reject what the apostles taught baptism is about
but naw I don’t think ignoring what Jesus and his apostles taught about a basic doctrine is a good idea
baotism is about what the apostles said it’s about and
“water baptism “ is refered to as baptism in the Bible rather than look to levites look to the apostles
“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.”
Acts 8:35-36, 38 KJV
“Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:47-48 KJV
would you explain to the apostles who taught ehats above about baptism that they were over emphasizing it ? It’s half of the great commission …..
can you acknowledge what Paul and the apostles taught baptism is brother ?
Yes. Immersion. Let's not make a religious word out of it. If I wanted to wash the table I would, in the Greek, baptizō a rag into water. This was a very common word. The rag, then, by immersion into water, would be equipped for the work I have for it.
All baptisms are like that: they equip the believer for their walk and destiny.
And please don't say "There is only one baptism". Certainly that's what the verse "One Lord, one faith, one baptism..." says, but that's not what it means. The bible speaks of 4 baptisms for the believer in Christ. The context of the "one baptism" is the one that joins us in the Spirit into the "one body" Paul mentions: the baptism by the Spirit.
This is the same theme Paul taught the Corinthians:
"For by one Spirit we all were baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free people..."
Baptism in water does not join us together, it separates our conscience from the curse of the law and the words of an accuser.
Baptism in fire purifies us to conform us to His character.
Baptism with the Spirit, which Jesus does from heaven, empowers us for our calling.
And, as I mentioned above, baptism by the Spirit places us, each believer, into the one Body of Christ. Upon this baptism, the one baptism the Spirit completes, we have unity.
It should confound you that Paul, while teaching baptism, wrote to the Corinthians:
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Paul... if baptism in water (the only baptism man can assist another man to accomplish) was so important, how can you thank God you did not baptize someone?! And how can you NOT remember who you immersed in water if it was central to their faith?!
Make no mistake, brother, I too believe we have a responsibility to walk out our salvation and to obey God. I believe all believers should be baptized in water.
All baptisms are like that: they equip the believer for their walk and destiny.
And please don't say "There is only one baptism". Certainly that's what the verse "One Lord, one faith, one baptism..." says, but that's not what it means. The bible speaks of 4 baptisms for the believer in Christ. The context of the "one baptism" is the one that joins us in the Spirit into the "one body" Paul mentions: the baptism by the Spirit.
This is the same theme Paul taught the Corinthians:
"For by one Spirit we all were baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free people..."
Baptism in water does not join us together, it separates our conscience from the curse of the law and the words of an accuser.
Baptism in fire purifies us to conform us to His character.
Baptism with the Spirit, which Jesus does from heaven, empowers us for our calling.
And, as I mentioned above, baptism by the Spirit places us, each believer, into the one Body of Christ. Upon this baptism, the one baptism the Spirit completes, we have unity.
It should confound you that Paul, while teaching baptism, wrote to the Corinthians:
I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, Paul... if baptism in water (the only baptism man can assist another man to accomplish) was so important, how can you thank God you did not baptize someone?! And how can you NOT remember who you immersed in water if it was central to their faith?!
Make no mistake, brother, I too believe we have a responsibility to walk out our salvation and to obey God. I believe all believers should be baptized in water.
“Yes. Immersion. Let's not make a religious word out of it. “
lol I don’t think I’ve ever used tbat word so no problem there .
“And please don't say "There is only one baptism". Certainly that's what the verse "One Lord, one faith, one baptism..." says, but that's not what it means. “
yeah this type of thinking is why I don’t agree . I think it means what it says. And I stay away from people explaining to me why it doesn’t mean what it says. So that could be our issue here.
“The bible speaks of 4 baptisms for the believer in Christ. “
ahhh ok well
I’ll stick with what the apostles Jesus ordained said. So Paul wins for me on how many baptisms there are just like he says one body one spirit one lord and god I believe there’s one of all he’s said there so well Have to also disagree there .
“Paul mentions: the baptism by the Spirit.
This is the same theme Paul taught the Corinthians:
"For by one Spirit we all were baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free people..."
yeah he filled his apostles with his spirit and hey baptized people in his name for remission of sins like this
“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
Acts 8:35-39 KJV
jesus told his apostles he would baptize them with his spirit and he did at pentocost and then they began to do what he commanded them to do preach the gospel and baptize believers in his name for remission of sins
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:19-20
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38
Im not willing to unlearn scripture or reject the apostles doctrine In order to reject baptism or pretend it’s not something that’s done in water or pretend God didn’t send baptism for remission of sins to us. It’s all really plain and clear.
Why would I want to not believe what they taught ? What benefit is there in tbat ?
whats baptism for Peter chosen apostle of Jesus the lord filled with his spirit why do we get baptized ?
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38
hmm can you explain more about baptism for remission of sins chosen apostle Paul filled with Jesus spirit also ?
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4 KJV
( continues through chapter 7 )
hmm any more you could say about baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name apostle Paul ?
“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
Colossians 2:11-12
hmm surely there isn’t any more related to baptism into Christ apostle Paul ?
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-27, 29 KJV
But there are four baptisms apostle Paul you must be secretly discussing the others
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
hmmm yeah there’s probably multiple of all those things or maybe there’s just one of everything Paul said except for baptisms yeah there are several that darn water baotism zeke that’s not the right baptism ….
those apostles Peter and Philip just didn’t get it
“For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:46-48 KJV
It would be really hard for me brother to forget what the New Testament apostles taught regarding baptism in order to agree with other things not there
lol I don’t think I’ve ever used tbat word so no problem there .
“And please don't say "There is only one baptism". Certainly that's what the verse "One Lord, one faith, one baptism..." says, but that's not what it means. “
yeah this type of thinking is why I don’t agree . I think it means what it says. And I stay away from people explaining to me why it doesn’t mean what it says. So that could be our issue here.
“The bible speaks of 4 baptisms for the believer in Christ. “
ahhh ok well
I’ll stick with what the apostles Jesus ordained said. So Paul wins for me on how many baptisms there are just like he says one body one spirit one lord and god I believe there’s one of all he’s said there so well Have to also disagree there .
“Paul mentions: the baptism by the Spirit.
This is the same theme Paul taught the Corinthians:
"For by one Spirit we all were baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free people..."
yeah he filled his apostles with his spirit and hey baptized people in his name for remission of sins like this
“Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.”
Acts 8:35-39 KJV
jesus told his apostles he would baptize them with his spirit and he did at pentocost and then they began to do what he commanded them to do preach the gospel and baptize believers in his name for remission of sins
“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:19-20
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38
Im not willing to unlearn scripture or reject the apostles doctrine In order to reject baptism or pretend it’s not something that’s done in water or pretend God didn’t send baptism for remission of sins to us. It’s all really plain and clear.
Why would I want to not believe what they taught ? What benefit is there in tbat ?
whats baptism for Peter chosen apostle of Jesus the lord filled with his spirit why do we get baptized ?
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38
hmm can you explain more about baptism for remission of sins chosen apostle Paul filled with Jesus spirit also ?
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4 KJV
( continues through chapter 7 )
hmm any more you could say about baptism for remission of sins in Jesus name apostle Paul ?
“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
Colossians 2:11-12
hmm surely there isn’t any more related to baptism into Christ apostle Paul ?
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-27, 29 KJV
But there are four baptisms apostle Paul you must be secretly discussing the others
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
hmmm yeah there’s probably multiple of all those things or maybe there’s just one of everything Paul said except for baptisms yeah there are several that darn water baotism zeke that’s not the right baptism ….
those apostles Peter and Philip just didn’t get it
“For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:46-48 KJV
It would be really hard for me brother to forget what the New Testament apostles taught regarding baptism in order to agree with other things not there
You're stuck. You went exactly where I knew you would. Writing in larger letters don't change the meaning of what is written.
Like when John wrote "For God so loved the world..." and noted that "..we will be like Him..." so we are clearly called to be like Him and love the world.
But then John wrote "Do not love the world...". Same Greek word: kosmos
We need wisdom to know what "world" John is talking about in these instances. They cannot be the same "world" because God is not duplicitous.
Just like when you read "one baptism" and conclude there is only one baptism even though the scriptures speak of 3 other baptisms for the believer.
So try to get unhinged from "one baptism" you continue to quote by reconciling the Biblical account of 3 other baptisms for the believers. I've showed you the answers before but you seem intent on planting your feet.
No worries.
Like when John wrote "For God so loved the world..." and noted that "..we will be like Him..." so we are clearly called to be like Him and love the world.
But then John wrote "Do not love the world...". Same Greek word: kosmos
We need wisdom to know what "world" John is talking about in these instances. They cannot be the same "world" because God is not duplicitous.
Just like when you read "one baptism" and conclude there is only one baptism even though the scriptures speak of 3 other baptisms for the believer.
So try to get unhinged from "one baptism" you continue to quote by reconciling the Biblical account of 3 other baptisms for the believers. I've showed you the answers before but you seem intent on planting your feet.
No worries.
“You're stuck. You went exactly where I knew you would. Writing in larger letters don't change the meaning of what is written. “
naw it doesn’t change it your right baptism is still for this
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
It says the same thing in any size letters and yes I’m stuck on what Gods word says about things I confess
You really see this
“be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, “
as not being what this is talking about ?
“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
Colossians 2:11-12
Is it You don’t think Paul’s talking about the same baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins ?
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-7 KJV
We agree that it doesn’t change the meaning but if we reject what it says we’re actually rejecting the meaning .
No matter what you explain I’m going to return to ehatnjesus chosen and annointed apostles did and said regarding baptism I’m definately stuck there brother
“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
Acts 1:8 KJV
Not you or me but the chosen annointed filled with the Holy Ghost apostles Jesus sent to baptize all nations in his name and preach the gospel to everyone for repentance and remission of sins in his name I have to stick with Jesus and his chosen witnesses brother but I still like ya a lot and have agreement on other matters . But I can’t bring myself to part with scripture and what’s taught in it about baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins by the apostles
“And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:4, 38-39 KJV
naw it doesn’t change it your right baptism is still for this
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
It says the same thing in any size letters and yes I’m stuck on what Gods word says about things I confess
You really see this
“be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, “
as not being what this is talking about ?
“in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
Colossians 2:11-12
Is it You don’t think Paul’s talking about the same baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins ?
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.”
Romans 6:3-7 KJV
We agree that it doesn’t change the meaning but if we reject what it says we’re actually rejecting the meaning .
No matter what you explain I’m going to return to ehatnjesus chosen and annointed apostles did and said regarding baptism I’m definately stuck there brother
“But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
Acts 1:8 KJV
Not you or me but the chosen annointed filled with the Holy Ghost apostles Jesus sent to baptize all nations in his name and preach the gospel to everyone for repentance and remission of sins in his name I have to stick with Jesus and his chosen witnesses brother but I still like ya a lot and have agreement on other matters . But I can’t bring myself to part with scripture and what’s taught in it about baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins by the apostles
“And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
Acts 2:4, 38-39 KJV