At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?
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“You don’t see a correlation that Christ was baptized for remission of sins yet he had no sin .
Andsinners repenting and believing in him , then being baptized into his name for remission of sins ?”
“I cannot make out what this means besides you assuming you think you know what I believe when I already know you do not.”
You should be able to now . Why do you take everything as a personal insult ? I havent said anything about you or what you believe magneta. Hardly have spoken to you in the past mi the and have never told anyone “ what you believe . “ or said anything but complimentary things about you to others …..you guys take people disagreeing with in a discussion you really personally. I just responded to what you said to me .
and “ what did you say no such thing “ I have no clue what your referencing
Andsinners repenting and believing in him , then being baptized into his name for remission of sins ?”
“I cannot make out what this means besides you assuming you think you know what I believe when I already know you do not.”
You should be able to now . Why do you take everything as a personal insult ? I havent said anything about you or what you believe magneta. Hardly have spoken to you in the past mi the and have never told anyone “ what you believe . “ or said anything but complimentary things about you to others …..you guys take people disagreeing with in a discussion you really personally. I just responded to what you said to me .
and “ what did you say no such thing “ I have no clue what your referencing
You responded to what I wrote but part of it it was unintelligible. "asp tou don’t see"
I do not know what that means.
Well, I specifically quoted what I was referencing. And the fact remains that there is nothing in Scripture saying the thing you did that I quoted. And I don't take everything you say as a personal insult, why must you falsely accuse me? if he hadn’t been baptized ours wouldn’t mean a thing and we couldn’t be baptized into him <= there is zero in Scripture about this, I quoted that specifically but you claim not to know what I am talking about and make it about something else. I don't know why you do that. I asked a legitimate question and you wander off into the weeds and accuse me of things and refuse to answer my question. Maybe that is why, you simply have no answer? I really don't know, why can you not simply answer whether or not you ever consider that Jesus was baptized at the outset of His ministry because it was required of priests? What you said has zero backing in Scripture, what I have asked about does. I thought this was a discussion forum but too many make it something else. I am actually genuinely curious about how others view Jesus being baptized into His earthly ministry as was required of priests according to Scripture, and also many are completely unaware of this requirement to begin with.
I do not know what that means.
Well, I specifically quoted what I was referencing. And the fact remains that there is nothing in Scripture saying the thing you did that I quoted. And I don't take everything you say as a personal insult, why must you falsely accuse me? if he hadn’t been baptized ours wouldn’t mean a thing and we couldn’t be baptized into him <= there is zero in Scripture about this, I quoted that specifically but you claim not to know what I am talking about and make it about something else. I don't know why you do that. I asked a legitimate question and you wander off into the weeds and accuse me of things and refuse to answer my question. Maybe that is why, you simply have no answer? I really don't know, why can you not simply answer whether or not you ever consider that Jesus was baptized at the outset of His ministry because it was required of priests? What you said has zero backing in Scripture, what I have asked about does. I thought this was a discussion forum but too many make it something else. I am actually genuinely curious about how others view Jesus being baptized into His earthly ministry as was required of priests according to Scripture, and also many are completely unaware of this requirement to begin with.
I don't mean to alarm you, as that sounded quite ominously. I was just making light of when we know that scripture is speaking in literal terms and when it is speaking in spiritual realities. And conclusively it all can only come down to each individual's personal convictions. For example, I should not even try and convince you to not eat pork, for example, and neither should you try and convince me that I should (if, indeed, I happen to actually be under a conviction to refrain from it). What counts is if we do, or if we refrain from doing, in faith. Wouldn't you agree with that?
I will tell everyone that bacon (pork) is bad for you and it makes you unclean in a health sense.
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Yes, bacon can be considered unhealthy due to its high levels of saturated fat, salt, and potential carcinogenic compounds. The World Health Organization has classified processed meats, including bacon, as a Group 1 carcinogen, meaning there's strong evidence they cause cancer. However, moderate consumption of bacon in a balanced diet may not be a significant health risk.
I will give you an example from all those months ago.
People were complaining about Cameron asking questions.
What exactly you said about it I do not recall.
I do remember saying people were denigrating his tactic of asking questions.
You then said you were told you were denigrating Cameron.
But that is not what I said at all.
And this thing that people do, in slightly changing what people say so it comes out as something completely different to what was actually said, gets done a lot here. And when this is pointed out, the fur flies because the person misinterpreting what was said refuses to own up to reading something wrong or not comprehending properly. Just like when you said I claimed people did not make choices (that is a paraphrase) when I have never said any such thing. People make choices out of their nature. There is a clear distinction made in Scripture between the natural man and the spiritual man at the heart of all this but you told me you have no idea what I am talking about when I articulate these distinctions. You say things like you want to discuss with people who believe what Scripture says while you make claims that contradict what Scripture says, but you do not seem to see yourself in that.
People were complaining about Cameron asking questions.
What exactly you said about it I do not recall.
I do remember saying people were denigrating his tactic of asking questions.
You then said you were told you were denigrating Cameron.
But that is not what I said at all.
And this thing that people do, in slightly changing what people say so it comes out as something completely different to what was actually said, gets done a lot here. And when this is pointed out, the fur flies because the person misinterpreting what was said refuses to own up to reading something wrong or not comprehending properly. Just like when you said I claimed people did not make choices (that is a paraphrase) when I have never said any such thing. People make choices out of their nature. There is a clear distinction made in Scripture between the natural man and the spiritual man at the heart of all this but you told me you have no idea what I am talking about when I articulate these distinctions. You say things like you want to discuss with people who believe what Scripture says while you make claims that contradict what Scripture says, but you do not seem to see yourself in that.
My friend, you know what the scriptures say in the area of baptism in water, but you emphasize it too much. You must examine the whole of scripture to see the meaning of it.
Jesus getting baptized in water by John was to fulfill the requirement of the Levitical law. It was not theater. He did it to remain innocent of the Law's accusations.
John was a Levitical Priest. Jesus was presenting Himself as the Lamb of God, as John even said "Behold, the Lamb of God...!"
For the Passover lamb, Exodus is clear about its qualifications: "Your lamb shall be without blemish..." This is both inward and outward purity.
So the greatest Levitical priest sees the Lamb of God, declares the truth of the lamb, washes the lamb, and God immediately declares the Lamb worthy:
“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” All witnesses who heard immediately knew the sacrifice was accepted.
Jesus and John, only, were the ones "fulfilling all righteousness" at that time because the standard at that time was the law.
By this moment, Jesus demonstrated the length and depth of His commitment to us, whom He loved: He would give up His own life for our sake.
Again, not theater but, rather, a clear declaration of the His Father's plan for His life.
Our water baptism is into His actual death. We don't get dunked in water to fulfill righteousness. By believing in Christ we are included in Him. And the right for Death to take us was done away with by His sacrifice. This is what this passage in Romans means:
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
See His connection to the Passover Lamb, again?! And see how, in Christ, we are found innocent of sin: through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. This was the example we were given: the sin of all rests on the Passover lamb: Death has no right to us.
It doesn't say "believe and is baptized"... just "believe".
It cannot be more clear.
We get dunked in water to (I'm paraphrasing here to take it out of a religious-sounding act) to declare we are dead with Him from the law that accuses us and condemn us. The law has no bearing on a dead person. The promise of THAT is life from God: the SAME LIFE Christ received when He was raised from the dead.
In this: HE is the propitiation. Not He and our water baptism. He. Him. Christ, the Lamb of God. Through faith all who believe this enter into Him and are thereby included in the One who personified the righteousness of God.
Jesus getting baptized in water by John was to fulfill the requirement of the Levitical law. It was not theater. He did it to remain innocent of the Law's accusations.
John was a Levitical Priest. Jesus was presenting Himself as the Lamb of God, as John even said "Behold, the Lamb of God...!"
For the Passover lamb, Exodus is clear about its qualifications: "Your lamb shall be without blemish..." This is both inward and outward purity.
So the greatest Levitical priest sees the Lamb of God, declares the truth of the lamb, washes the lamb, and God immediately declares the Lamb worthy:
“This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” All witnesses who heard immediately knew the sacrifice was accepted.
Jesus and John, only, were the ones "fulfilling all righteousness" at that time because the standard at that time was the law.
By this moment, Jesus demonstrated the length and depth of His commitment to us, whom He loved: He would give up His own life for our sake.
Again, not theater but, rather, a clear declaration of the His Father's plan for His life.
Our water baptism is into His actual death. We don't get dunked in water to fulfill righteousness. By believing in Christ we are included in Him. And the right for Death to take us was done away with by His sacrifice. This is what this passage in Romans means:
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
See His connection to the Passover Lamb, again?! And see how, in Christ, we are found innocent of sin: through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. This was the example we were given: the sin of all rests on the Passover lamb: Death has no right to us.
It doesn't say "believe and is baptized"... just "believe".
It cannot be more clear.
We get dunked in water to (I'm paraphrasing here to take it out of a religious-sounding act) to declare we are dead with Him from the law that accuses us and condemn us. The law has no bearing on a dead person. The promise of THAT is life from God: the SAME LIFE Christ received when He was raised from the dead.
In this: HE is the propitiation. Not He and our water baptism. He. Him. Christ, the Lamb of God. Through faith all who believe this enter into Him and are thereby included in the One who personified the righteousness of God.
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