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Wansvic

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No, you are telling me the work of the cross was not enough or sufficient. The Blood of Jesus is the power that makes one clean and removes sin. Paul said that in Roman chapter 5
Romans 5:9: Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.


Ephesians 1:7: In him, we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace.

1 John 1:7: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

Hebrews 9:22: Indeed, under the law, almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins.

Peter said :

1 Peter 1:18-19: Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

1 Peter 3:18: For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.
Jesus' sacrifice makes it possible to be saved.
 

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"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." After making this statement Peter commanded Cornelius and others be baptized in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:43, 48) The scriptures confirm being baptized in the name of Jesus is for the remission of sin.

When Scripture speaks of being baptized "in the name of Jesus," it's important to understand what that phrase truly means. In Greek, the phrase “in the name of” (ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι) means by the authority of. It’s not about reciting specific words as a ritual formula—it’s about recognizing and submitting to the authority of Jesus Christ.


In Hebrew thought, a "name" often represents the character, authority, and essence of a person. So when someone acts "in the name of the Lord," they act under His authority and in alignment with His will. It’s similar to how an ambassador speaks “in the name of” their country—not because they say a magic phrase, but because they have been commissioned and empowered by that authority.


So to be baptized “in Jesus’ name” is not about repeating a certain set of words; it’s about being baptized by the authority of Jesus, in obedience to His gospel. Whether a person is baptized with the words “in Jesus’ name” or “in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” (as in Matthew 28:19), the heart of the matter is who they’re trusting for salvation and whose authority they’re submitting to.


Let’s not mistake the symbol for the substance. What saves us is faith in Christ, not the precise phrase uttered over the baptismal waters.
 

Lamar

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Actually believing it is necessary to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is elevating one scripture above others. When all relevant scriptures are taken in context they reveal there is no discrepancy. Water baptism is to be in the name of Jesus. People can accept others thoughts about it, but the word is clear.

Peter responded to the question, What must I do?:

"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles,

Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:36-42
I was baptized using the phrase: "I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit". What are your thoughts on this method?
 

Wansvic

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No, it is not. You think it is and then tell others that you are not saved because of your ill understanding of baptism.
Read your own response indicating it is wrong to elevate one verse over entire scripture. Those who refuse to accept water baptism is to be in the name of Jesus do just that.
 

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We have Scripture that shows us that Jesus, and I would add taught, but was in the same vicinity watching His Disciples water Baptizing.

What's interesting is Matthew 28:19 shows us a way to water Baptize but in Acts they all Baptize in the Name of Jesus which the Catechism claims was the custom until the 4th Century.

So if the Disciples end up Baptizing in Name of Jesus and that was the custom until the 4th Century makes me think when the Disciples are Baptizing in the presence of Jesus they probably were Baptizing in His Name.
 

Lamar

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No, it is not. You think it is and then tell others that you are not saved because of your ill understanding of baptism.
He presents a cogent understanding on the issue and this is your response?

He presents scripture and you present idioms.
 
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We have no right to manifest any gift on our own.
And NO REAL CAPABILITY to EVEN DO IT "on our own".

"Speaking in tongues", "Prophesy", ANY "Spoken Gift" is EASY to falsify with a little practice!!!! and 1 Cor 14:29 Warns against accepting a "Prophesy" without independent confirmation.

Some years back, my wife was given a "Prophecy" by a person that we didn't know personally, and a few weeks later she was given the EXACT SAME PROPHESY from a totally different, and unconnected source. THAT'S when you start to take it seriously!!!!
I'm still trying to locate a comment attributed to my post: "We have no right to manifest any gift on our own."

It's odd because I, too, agree that no one is capable of if on their own.
 

Wansvic

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When Scripture speaks of being baptized "in the name of Jesus," it's important to understand what that phrase truly means. In Greek, the phrase “in the name of” (ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι) means by the authority of. It’s not about reciting specific words as a ritual formula—it’s about recognizing and submitting to the authority of Jesus Christ.


In Hebrew thought, a "name" often represents the character, authority, and essence of a person. So when someone acts "in the name of the Lord," they act under His authority and in alignment with His will. It’s similar to how an ambassador speaks “in the name of” their country—not because they say a magic phrase, but because they have been commissioned and empowered by that authority.


So to be baptized “in Jesus’ name” is not about repeating a certain set of words; it’s about being baptized by the authority of Jesus, in obedience to His gospel. Whether a person is baptized with the words “in Jesus’ name” or “in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” (as in Matthew 28:19), the heart of the matter is who they’re trusting for salvation and whose authority they’re submitting to.


Let’s not mistake the symbol for the substance. What saves us is faith in Christ, not the precise phrase uttered over the baptismal waters.
Those who believe and submit to water baptism in the name of Jesus absorb completely and accept totally the work, power, authority and person of Yeshua the Messiah; on “onoma” see 3:16 N, Mt 28:19 N.
(from Jewish New Testament Commentary)

Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 

Wansvic

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And NO REAL CAPABILITY to EVEN DO IT "on our own".

"Speaking in tongues", "Prophesy", ANY "Spoken Gift" is EASY to falsify with a little practice!!!! and 1 Cor 14:29 Warns against accepting a "Prophesy" without independent confirmation.

Some years back, my wife was given a "Prophecy" by a person that we didn't know personally, and a few weeks later she was given the EXACT SAME PROPHESY from a totally different, and unconnected source. THAT'S when you start to take it seriously!!!!
The post you are replying to doesn't seem to have that comment... Weird.
 

Wansvic

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I find it so sad that people follow a tradition begun by a denomination they know holds so many erroneous beliefs. It's truly unbelievable when the record is clear. The Apostles water baptized individuals in the name of the Lord Jesus not the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
 

Lamar

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I find it so sad that people follow a tradition begun by a denomination they know holds so many erroneous beliefs. It's truly unbelievable when the record is clear. The Apostles water baptized individuals in the name of the Lord Jesus not the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
I doubt people are opting for the term "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" because of a denomination's tradition. I doubt they even give it a second thought.

Water baptism has been so twisted by the faith alone regeneration theology groups that people today see it as a meaningless ritual and not the time and place of our remission of sins.

And this is wrong.
 

Wansvic

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I doubt people are opting for the term "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" because of a denomination's tradition. I doubt they even give it a second thought.

Water baptism has been so twisted by the faith alone regeneration theology groups that people today see it as a meaningless ritual and not the time and place of our remission of sins.

And this is wrong.
I agree. People are accepting what's being presented from the pulpit; just as I did. However, after becoming aware of what scripture reveals and the historical distortion I"m surprised that anything could hold a person back from obeying God.
 
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Water baptism has been so twisted by the faith alone regeneration theology groups that people today see it as a meaningless ritual and not the time and place of our remission of sins.
Which is Biblically accurate (Eph 2:8,9). Baptism is what one does AS A TESTIMONY of what has happened to them BY FAITH.

"Works" are the RESULT of FAITH, and not the cause of it.
 
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Water baptism has been so twisted by the faith alone regeneration theology groups that people
today see it as a meaningless ritual and not the time and place of our remission of sins.

And this is wrong.

Acts 10 verse 43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.
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Wansvic

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We have Scripture that shows us that Jesus, and I would add taught, but was in the same vicinity watching His Disciples water Baptizing.

What's interesting is Matthew 28:19 shows us a way to water Baptize but in Acts they all Baptize in the Name of Jesus which the Catechism claims was the custom until the 4th Century.

So if the Disciples end up Baptizing in Name of Jesus and that was the custom until the 4th Century makes me think when the Disciples are Baptizing in the presence of Jesus they probably were Baptizing in His Name.
John the Baptist introduced water baptism that was later modified. The change was initiated during Pentecost at Jerusalem as prophesied by Jesus in Luke 24:47. All NT water baptisms is to be administered in the name of Jesus in association with His death, burial and resurrection. Scripture confirms this to be true. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)
 

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John the Baptist introduced water baptism that was later modified. The change was initiated during Pentecost at Jerusalem as prophesied by Jesus in Luke 24:47. All NT water baptisms is to be administered in the name of Jesus in association with His death, burial and resurrection. Scripture confirms this to be true. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)
I tend to believe this because we know the RCC put the Canon together, formatted many of the current Church traditions, plus in their own historical record keeping even mention that the first 4 Centuries water Baptized in the NAME of Jesus before the RCC changed it to the Triune Formula.

***Read Last Paragraph Titled Into Christ***
Top of the Page reads:
Page #164 Titled Baptism. Ch. 40
 

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Wansvic

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Which is Biblically accurate (Eph 2:8,9). Baptism is what one does AS A TESTIMONY of what has happened to them BY FAITH.

"Works" are the RESULT of FAITH, and not the cause of it.
Scripture reveals baptism is for remission of sin. (Acts 2:38, 22:16, Rom. 6:3-6, 1 Peter. 3:21)

Please provide scripture indicating baptism is done as a testimony.
 
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Scripture reveals baptism is for remission of sin. (Acts 2:38, 22:16, Rom. 6:3-6, 1 Peter. 3:21)

Please provide scripture indicating baptism is done as a testimony.
Exactly there’s a real purpose explained and repeatedly stated in the New Testament For baptism in Jesus name but unless one already knows that apparently we can’t read