Understanding God’s election
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On the contrary, on the Hermeneutics thread we are conducting a systematic study of the doctrine of election with the expressed purpose of including and harmonizing all relevant Scripture supporting both sides, which is lacking here, so if you would like to participate there, please join us.
I just posted this on the website partly inspired by your posts: Human nature was created good but not perfect (Gen. 1:31), and Jesus had a human nature that was perfected during his earthly life (Heb. 5:8-9), which moral perfection should be every Christian’s lifelong goal (Phil. 3:12-15). Humans are born selfish but innocent babies until they attain the stage of moral accountability or conscience (normally about the stage of pre-pubescence), comparable to when Adam and Eve became aware it was wrong to eat from the forbidden tree (Gen. 2:17).
I just posted this on the website partly inspired by your posts: Human nature was created good but not perfect (Gen. 1:31), and Jesus had a human nature that was perfected during his earthly life (Heb. 5:8-9), which moral perfection should be every Christian’s lifelong goal (Phil. 3:12-15). Humans are born selfish but innocent babies until they attain the stage of moral accountability or conscience (normally about the stage of pre-pubescence), comparable to when Adam and Eve became aware it was wrong to eat from the forbidden tree (Gen. 2:17).
No, they just reject what Scripture says on the matter of salvation.
In Jesus' words: impossible with man, but possible with God.
In God's Words: according to His mercy and will, not according the desire, effort, or will of man.
I have updated this panel a little. Of course there are so many verses that it is not possible to include them all on one...
With the heart one believes. Free willers say it is with the wicked heart of the natural man.
Proverbs 28 verse 26~ “He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool.” Jeremiah 17 verse 5a~ Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind. Jeremiah 17 verse 9~ The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? Ecclesiastes 7 verse 20~ “For there is not a just man upon the earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” Matthew 7 verse 18~ “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” John 6 verse 63b~ The flesh profits nothing. Philippians 2 verse 13~ “For it is God which worketh in you, both to will and to do of His good pleasure.”
In Jesus' words: impossible with man, but possible with God.
In God's Words: according to His mercy and will, not according the desire, effort, or will of man.
I have updated this panel a little. Of course there are so many verses that it is not possible to include them all on one...
With the heart one believes. Free willers say it is with the wicked heart of the natural man.
Proverbs 28 verse 26~ “He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool.” Jeremiah 17 verse 5a~ Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind. Jeremiah 17 verse 9~ The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? Ecclesiastes 7 verse 20~ “For there is not a just man upon the earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” Matthew 7 verse 18~ “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” John 6 verse 63b~ The flesh profits nothing. Philippians 2 verse 13~ “For it is God which worketh in you, both to will and to do of His good pleasure.”
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No, they just reject what Scripture says on the matter of salvation.
In Jesus' words: impossible with man, but possible with God.
In God's Words: according to His mercy and will, not according the desire, effort, or will of man.
I have updated this panel a little. Of course there are so many verses that it is not possible to include them all on one...
Proverbs 28 verse 26~ “He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool.” Jeremiah 17 verse 5a~ Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind. Jeremiah 17 verse 9~ The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? Ecclesiastes 7 verse 20~ “For there is not a just man upon the earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” Matthew 7 verse 18~ “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” John 6 verse 63b~ The flesh profits nothing. Philippians 2 verse 13~ “For it is God which worketh in you, both to will and to do of His good pleasure.”
In Jesus' words: impossible with man, but possible with God.
In God's Words: according to His mercy and will, not according the desire, effort, or will of man.
I have updated this panel a little. Of course there are so many verses that it is not possible to include them all on one...
Proverbs 28 verse 26~ “He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool.” Jeremiah 17 verse 5a~ Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind. Jeremiah 17 verse 9~ The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? Ecclesiastes 7 verse 20~ “For there is not a just man upon the earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.” Matthew 7 verse 18~ “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.” John 6 verse 63b~ The flesh profits nothing. Philippians 2 verse 13~ “For it is God which worketh in you, both to will and to do of His good pleasure.”
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Paul was wrong
True. They only believe after hearing Disciples or Evangelism, because the Holy Spirit enters and allows them to understand the call to repentance.
You'll hear of those who say they came to repentance as a young child. There was a documentary years ago entitled, Jesus Camp.
Little children shown in all manner of emotion during services held by that camp group.
Were they all God's Elect? No.
No one comes to Jesus unless the father leads them .
Sure,some of those children could be of The Elect. But certain not every last one.
But they could certainly think they were.
Which is why Jesus said,warned,many are called. Few are (the) Chosen.
And as an aside, Jesus was fully human and fully imbued with Holy Spirit,God. He didn't learn to be righteous.
True. They only believe after hearing Disciples or Evangelism, because the Holy Spirit enters and allows them to understand the call to repentance.
You'll hear of those who say they came to repentance as a young child. There was a documentary years ago entitled, Jesus Camp.
Little children shown in all manner of emotion during services held by that camp group.
Were they all God's Elect? No.
No one comes to Jesus unless the father leads them .
Sure,some of those children could be of The Elect. But certain not every last one.
But they could certainly think they were.
Which is why Jesus said,warned,many are called. Few are (the) Chosen.
And as an aside, Jesus was fully human and fully imbued with Holy Spirit,God. He didn't learn to be righteous.
The very purpose of Christ's parables was to instruct and enlighten some, and at the same time place a stumbling block in front of others. See Matt 13:10-15. Are we to proclaim that Christ was unfair, or admit that His ways are higher than ours.
We must fully trust His actions, and although we see dimly now, we will rejoice in the truth later!
We must fully trust His actions, and although we see dimly now, we will rejoice in the truth later!
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