Understanding God’s election
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Thank you for explaining. I feel challenged at times to express my understanding well also. In Rev someone
answered the call but was thrown out any way. Remember that story? He was not properly clothed. I do not
believe Scripture teaches free will. The whole world is under the influence of and been deceived by the evil
one and we are told specifically of some who have been taken captive to the will of the devil. That does not
speak of a will that is free at all. It is Jesus Who sets us free. Slaves to sin, lovers of darkness, people who
suppress the Truth in unrighteousness are bound to the nature they were born with until it is changed.
"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.
answered the call but was thrown out any way. Remember that story? He was not properly clothed. I do not
believe Scripture teaches free will. The whole world is under the influence of and been deceived by the evil
one and we are told specifically of some who have been taken captive to the will of the devil. That does not
speak of a will that is free at all. It is Jesus Who sets us free. Slaves to sin, lovers of darkness, people who
suppress the Truth in unrighteousness are bound to the nature they were born with until it is changed.
"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.
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You know people say things like that gw whatever guy as if the natural man seeks after God when God's Word says he does not.
People like that run around like others here acting like they needed no help from God at all... while they ignore what is said of the natural man and ascribe to him qualities, characteristics, and abilities possessed only by the spiritual man. They make no distinction because they do not know the difference and refuse to acknowledge all Scripture has to say on the matter. They cannot see what they are blind to.
People like that run around like others here acting like they needed no help from God at all... while they ignore what is said of the natural man and ascribe to him qualities, characteristics, and abilities possessed only by the spiritual man. They make no distinction because they do not know the difference and refuse to acknowledge all Scripture has to say on the matter. They cannot see what they are blind to.
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Every Christian owes it to the truth of God in Christ to stubbornly hold to the truth of Christ and his teachings when encountering false teachings.
Here's the hard truth. It doesn't matter how you were raised. Or what you did at a young age.
The point is,the truth is, does God know you,any of us who profess ourselves to be in Christ, by name? As was written in his Lamb's Book of Life before the foundation of the world?
Only those names are his.
The Elect of God.
We are told repeatedly by God/Jesus, we do not choose him. He chooses us.
We say we believe in Jesus. But we don't believe that what he told us?
Here's the hard truth. It doesn't matter how you were raised. Or what you did at a young age.
The point is,the truth is, does God know you,any of us who profess ourselves to be in Christ, by name? As was written in his Lamb's Book of Life before the foundation of the world?
Only those names are his.
The Elect of God.
We are told repeatedly by God/Jesus, we do not choose him. He chooses us.
We say we believe in Jesus. But we don't believe that what he told us?
Noah was the tenth from Adam was he born as an object of wrath ?
“These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
Genesis 6:9 KJV
Do you see how these men weren’t objects of wrath ? And all were born of Adam
“By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
Hebrews 11:4-7 KJV
many born of Adam weren’t objects of wrath who did right before the lords eyes another would be job who also knew he would rise again when his lord came.
“There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”
Job 1:1 KJV
when you read Paul sis your really far into the story of what happened . Those men weren’t objects of Gods wrath because they lived upright lives and didn’t provoke his wrath against wickedness and sin. That’s what Gods wrath is come for the sinfulness and wickedness of mankind. So we need to repent whether you label someone “ spiritual or natural “ they need to hear and believe the gospel or they will never receive the Holy Ghost.
those who live on unapologetic sinful lives like Paul’s saying are the objects of wrath
“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in your trespasses and sins;
wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.”
Ephesians 2:1-3 KJV
it doesn’t mean if your a human he’s saying if you live a sinful life it makes a person an object of wrath.
look what he’s saying in chapter 5 of the same letter to the same people
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; ( he’s talking to Gods children on his church ) and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:1-7
When a person receives the spirit ( which is what makes one spiritual ) then this is for them sister
“Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
Romans 8:12-13
a that’s not for someone who doesn’t believe and hasn’t received the holt ghost it’s for those who have like this
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
Romans 8:1 KJV
It’s not that the Holy Ghost forces us to suddenly be holy magically , we still have to yield to God still resisting temptations and following the spirit our companion leading us home.
it’s why Paul wrote all those things about it like this is more ( note he says he’s said this repeatedly )
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: ( long list of sinful attitudes and behaviors ) of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:16, 19-21 KJV
It always comes back to doing evil provokes his wrath honestly if you say a persons natural or spiritual doesn’t change that they all have to face the same judgement of the same Lord and same word. God rewards those who seek him and we aren’t spiritual until we believe the gospel can’t possibly receive the spirit without believing the gospel …..everyone has sinned themselves that’s what condemns and corrupts us we arent born that way or predestined that way at all many men were observed by God to be righteous and godly men and all came from adams flesh and blood
we all became objects of wrath when all had sinned and fallen short and there was no one left worthy …..,sin provokes his wrath
These folks weren’t born condemned but what they did provoked it
“because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched.”
2 Chronicles 34:25 KJV
would you agree they provoked it by thier rebellious deeds and he wasn’t angry with them prior ? But actually had chosen them as his people ?
“These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
Genesis 6:9 KJV
Do you see how these men weren’t objects of wrath ? And all were born of Adam
“By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
Hebrews 11:4-7 KJV
many born of Adam weren’t objects of wrath who did right before the lords eyes another would be job who also knew he would rise again when his lord came.
“There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”
Job 1:1 KJV
when you read Paul sis your really far into the story of what happened . Those men weren’t objects of Gods wrath because they lived upright lives and didn’t provoke his wrath against wickedness and sin. That’s what Gods wrath is come for the sinfulness and wickedness of mankind. So we need to repent whether you label someone “ spiritual or natural “ they need to hear and believe the gospel or they will never receive the Holy Ghost.
those who live on unapologetic sinful lives like Paul’s saying are the objects of wrath
“And you hath he quickened, who were dead in your trespasses and sins;
wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.”
Ephesians 2:1-3 KJV
it doesn’t mean if your a human he’s saying if you live a sinful life it makes a person an object of wrath.
look what he’s saying in chapter 5 of the same letter to the same people
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; ( he’s talking to Gods children on his church ) and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:1-7
When a person receives the spirit ( which is what makes one spiritual ) then this is for them sister
“Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
Romans 8:12-13
a that’s not for someone who doesn’t believe and hasn’t received the holt ghost it’s for those who have like this
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
Romans 8:1 KJV
It’s not that the Holy Ghost forces us to suddenly be holy magically , we still have to yield to God still resisting temptations and following the spirit our companion leading us home.
it’s why Paul wrote all those things about it like this is more ( note he says he’s said this repeatedly )
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: ( long list of sinful attitudes and behaviors ) of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:16, 19-21 KJV
It always comes back to doing evil provokes his wrath honestly if you say a persons natural or spiritual doesn’t change that they all have to face the same judgement of the same Lord and same word. God rewards those who seek him and we aren’t spiritual until we believe the gospel can’t possibly receive the spirit without believing the gospel …..everyone has sinned themselves that’s what condemns and corrupts us we arent born that way or predestined that way at all many men were observed by God to be righteous and godly men and all came from adams flesh and blood
we all became objects of wrath when all had sinned and fallen short and there was no one left worthy …..,sin provokes his wrath
These folks weren’t born condemned but what they did provoked it
“because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched.”
2 Chronicles 34:25 KJV
would you agree they provoked it by thier rebellious deeds and he wasn’t angry with them prior ? But actually had chosen them as his people ?
Your posts are too long for me to absorb all at once. Scripture says none are righteous. Nope. Not one. Are you saying some
are or were? God says David did all God wanted except in the matters of murder and adultery. Yeah, very righteous. And let's
not forget that census. But we were all of the world before being called out of the world. Does this need explanation?
If any had their own righteousness they would not need Christ's. I put on His, and thank God for it.
are or were? God says David did all God wanted except in the matters of murder and adultery. Yeah, very righteous. And let's
not forget that census. But we were all of the world before being called out of the world. Does this need explanation?
If any had their own righteousness they would not need Christ's. I put on His, and thank God for it.
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