Understanding God’s election

[GWH]

Are you implying that there is no hope for Esau?

Not if God is a TULIPist.
Or maybe, if God can hate the non-elect,
He can trick Jacob into believing he is elect.

 

[Cameron143]

You cannot alter your eternal destiny in Calvinism.

Who orders your steps in life; is it you or God?

Why would I want anyone other than God ordering my steps. Do you want someone else ordering your steps? Do you think it would have been a good idea for Israelites to go their own way when the pillar of fire was still?

 

[Mouse_Cheeks]

Calvinism is what John Calvin believed.

God's Sovereign Will; if you understand those three words then you understand Calvinism.

So salvation is age dependant is it?

Sin is age dependent.
Babies and infants aren't accountable.

 

[Inquisitor]

Wait. That conflicts with your earlier assertion. "The eternal decree nullifies any human input or negotiation."

Because someone stated that there is no negotiation with God.

But there are clearly negotiations taking place in the scripture.

We cannot generalize one way or the other.

Calvinism states that everything is pre-determined from eternity.

 

[Jackson129]

Then I have no incentive to answer your questions.

I didn't ask one

 

[Cameron143]

Negative Cameron, only elect babies are saved and they are a minority.

Heaven is populated by a number that no man can number. Why do you believe that to be a small number? How high can you count?

 

[Cameron143]

Didn't Abraham persuade God not to wipe out Sodom and Gomorrah as planned,if but one righteous person could be found there?

And this after God had said he was going to destroy both cities?

10...but there weren't that many.

 

[Inquisitor]

Why would I want anyone other than God ordering my steps. Do you want someone else ordering your steps? Do you think it would have been a good idea for Israelites to go their own way when the pillar of fire was still?

Your reply was meaningless.

Calvinism states all steps were predetermined.

Your not going to insert your will, your steps, into the eternal equation.

 

[Cameron143]

If a righteous person could be found then Abraham wins.

King David had a choice of three judgements for his sin, famine, fleeing, pestilence.

God's will would be determined solely by David's decision.

Lot was righteous.

 

[Inquisitor]

Heaven is populated by a number that no man can number. Why do you believe that to be a small number? How high can you count?

Who knows?

Then again, tell me how many you estimate there to be, 1,000, 10,000, 1,000,000?

Is that some kind of argument?

 

[Cameron143]

I didn't ask one

You began by asking me 2 questions...what would God want........

 

[Cameron143]

Your reply was meaningless.

Calvinism states all steps were predetermined.

Your not going to insert your will, your steps, into the eternal equation.

You can still answer. You just don't want anything to get in the way of your misconceptions.

Who do you want directing your steps: you or God?

 

[Inquisitor]

Lot was righteous.

Lot was rescued from Sodom and then the entire city was destroyed.

God could not destroy the city with a righteous man in situ.

 

[Cameron143]

Who knows?

Then again, tell me how many you estimate there to be, 1,000, 10,000, 1,000,000?

Is that some kind of argument?

No, it is just to help you with another misconception. That there will be few in heaven is contrary to the teaching of scripture.

 

[Inquisitor]

Sin is age dependent.
Babies and infants aren't accountable.

Israel destroyed cities and executed all the inhabitants including toddlers and babies.

Even the cattle and crops were destroyed.

 

[Cameron143]

If a righteous person could be found then Abraham wins.

King David had a choice of three judgements for his sin, famine, fleeing, pestilence.

God's will would be determined solely by David's decision.

Then Abraham won, right? There was one righteous.

 

[Inquisitor]

No, it is just to help you with another misconception. That there will be few in heaven is contrary to the teaching of scripture.

A few in proportion to the vast majority.

Many are called but few are chosen!

You need to read your Bible.

 

[Inquisitor]

Then Abraham won, right? There was one righteous.

Yes Abraham won the negotiation, then God removed Lot and his family from that city and destroyed it.

 

[Jackson129]

You began by asking me 2 questions...what would God want........

Its called a rhetorical question. Or a tag question. If you can't interpret that why would I listen to any of your other interpretations? ( another rhetorical question)

 

[Cameron143]

A few in proportion to the vast majority.

Many are called but few are chosen!

You need to read your Bible.

If you believe few are chosen means they alone get saved then you are a Calvinist.