Understanding God’s election

[Cameron143]

Your only hearing what you want to hear.

And you are only saying what you want heard.

 

[Inquisitor]

Wouldn't that make them righteous?

If they receive the gift of righteousness then, yes they are.

 

[Cameron143]

Which implies that we have input into God's decisions.

Or...that God makes His plans known to those who love Him...1 Corinthians 2:9-10. And so we pray His will on earth as it is in heaven.

 

[Inquisitor]

And you are only saying what you want heard.

We cannot know much at all Cameron in this life.

I am playing the Calvinist record, over and over, again.

My personal opinion is worthless.

 

[Cameron143]

If they receive the gift of righteousness then, yes they are.

Aren't all who call upon the name of the Lord saved?

 

[Inquisitor]

Or...that God makes His plans known to those who love Him...1 Corinthians 2:9-10. And so we pray His will on earth as it is in heaven.

Obviously Cameron, your not a Calvinist if you pray for His will in Jesus Christ be known to all.

 

[Cameron143]

We cannot know much at all Cameron in this life.

I am playing the Calvinist record, over and over, again.

My personal opinion is worthless.

We can know quite a bit if we hang out with God. I'll refer you to 1 Corinthians 2:9-10 again.

 

[Inquisitor]

Aren't all who call upon the name of the Lord saved?

Not according to Paul.

 

[Cameron143]

Obviously Cameron, your not a Calvinist if you pray for His will in Jesus Christ be known to all.

I've never claimed to be a Calvinist. I just see so many people speaking for Calvin who know little of what he actually wrote.

 

[Cameron143]

Not according to Paul.

Didn't Paul write Romans 10:13?

 

[Inquisitor]

Or...that God makes His plans known to those who love Him...1 Corinthians 2:9-10. And so we pray His will on earth as it is in heaven.

Your quotation includes, "those that love Him", does that imply faith plus something else?

Is faith alone?

 

[Inquisitor]

I've never claimed to be a Calvinist. I just see so many people speaking for Calvin who know little of what he actually wrote.

Do you openly deny that God's Sovereign Will is what Calvinism is based upon?

 

[Cameron143]

Your quotation includes, "those that love Him", does that imply faith plus something else?

Is faith alone?

Faith isn't spoken of in the verse. Those that love Him is the qualifying condition.

 

[Cameron143]

Do you openly deny that God's Sovereign Will is what Calvinism is based upon?

No, but your understanding of it as you have shared isn't a fair assessment of Calvin's teachings.

 

[Inquisitor]

Didn't Paul write Romans 10:13?

Yes Cameron Paul wrote that and quoted from Hosea I think.

But never cherry pick a verse out of it's context.

The, "calling", may mean a way of life rather that a one off call.

Be careful how you tread in the scripture.

 

[Inquisitor]

No, but your understanding of it as you have shared isn't a fair assessment of Calvin's teachings.

So an individual's salvation, in the end, is not God's eternal decree?

 

[Cameron143]

Yes Cameron Paul wrote that and quoted from Hosea I think.

But never cherry pick a verse out of it's context.

The, "calling", may mean a way of life rather that a one off call.

Be careful how you tread in the scripture.

It may, but that doesn't alter the answer to the question. It is an affirmative statement of fact.

 

[Inquisitor]

Faith isn't spoken of in the verse. Those that love Him is the qualifying condition.

So how do you interpret, "those that love Him", try not to deflect.

 

[Inquisitor]

It may, but that doesn't alter the answer to the question. It is an affirmative statement of fact.

What fact may that be?

 

[Cameron143]

So an individual's salvation, in the end, is not God's eternal decree?

I believe it is, but you have said way more than that.