Loss of salvation???

[Genez]

Since you've listened to this theology for 44 years (which doesn't really identify actual study time), you've likely heard the statement, "if you add anything to faith, then you're not saved." Did you ever hear the retort to "Faith Alone" that "Faith is Never Alone"? There's normally some reasoning from the Word for such mantras.

I never agreed with how that was said. But, it did not quit and walk away from a rich source of teachings for that alone.

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"If you add anything to faith, it's only the faith that saved you."​

That is how I chose to phrase it, and kept on learning from a man that I found no peer to in getting you to think with the Word of God.
I did not use what he said as an excuse to drop out like you did.

 

[Genez]

That's one sentence from a fairly extensive writeup, so yes, in the more complete context and elaboration of this excerpt I am in disagreement with it. IMO Free Grace ("FG") has a very weak presentation of what Faith is.

Since you've listened to this theology for 44 years (which doesn't really identify actual study time), you've likely heard the statement, "if you add anything to faith, then you're not saved." Did you ever hear the retort to "Faith Alone" that "Faith is Never Alone"? There's normally some reasoning from the Word for such mantras.



What I want is to understand God's Word and I came to understand it differently than FG teaches it. As mentioned above, I understand Faith differently than what FG teaches. Thus, I will read several things in Scripture differently than FG.

The rhetorical question you ask re: me or anyone who sees soteriology differently than you, is not well reasoned and is a typical assertion of works salvation, which is ultimately one of the main reasons there is a FG soteriology. IMO it's a pendulum swung too far in order to protect against works salvation. But having swung too far it too ends in error. Thus, the Faith is Never Alone retort against FG and some others of Faith Alone soteriology.

Legalism is also one of the typical retorts that's not well reasoned IMO. Firstly, it rarely comes with a definition and when it does it's not unusual to see 10 people with 10 different definitions. It's not a retort I even pay attention to anymore. I understand the transition in eras from being under Moses to being in the NC and in Christ. And I know I'm in Christ by Grace through Faith, which again, Faith that I see differently than FG.

The better discussion I'll start heading back into now is about what Scripture actually says and means. If you have serious questions apart from inferring I have a problem because I left FG Theology, I'll consider the continuing the discussion. But calling me a liar and even softening it a bit but not admitting it was wrong is not the best witness for your training.

How's it feel to be an island?
(surrounded by sand)

You are too obsessed with concepts. Not LIfe.

Can you name one apostle that did not think something wrong at some point?

You do not quit when you find something wrong.....

 

[studier]

I never agreed with how that was said. But, it did not quit and walk away from a rich source of teachings for that alone.

​

"If you add anything to faith, it's only the faith that saved you."​

That is how I chose to phrase it, and kept on learning from a man that I found no peer to in getting you to think with the Word of God.
I did not use what he said as an excuse to drop out like you did.

OK. So, you have your own thoughts as you've expressed before. IMO that's a good thing.

I have a problem with your version as well as with the original until I understand what is meant when everyone says "faith".

I kept on learning for years also. I was ordained at Berachah before RBT passed. Before ordination, he convinced me to go to seminary and take the languages. Afterwards I was led to study on my own for many years and I ended up doing that and teaching for nearly 2 decades. During those years I saw the Text differently than FG & Dispensationalism. It was a church split in FGD that made me dig deep into what they split over that ended up making me see the Text differently. It wasn't easy to walk from what I'd been taught. RBT indeed was quite a teacher who I was originally led to through answered prayer. His son is a very good teacher also, but I knew when he took over that he was not going to be my pastor-teacher. And over time I was taught that FGD was not going to be my camp any longer.

Have to run. Will look at additional posts when I can...

 

[studier]

How's it feel to be an island?
(surrounded by sand)

You are too obsessed with concepts. Not LIfe.

Can you name one apostle that did not think something wrong at some point?

You do not quit when you find something wrong.....

Probably minimally what Paul felt like when he isolated for years with his Text and the Spirit.

You're not my judge and I'm not yours. So, please grow up a bit and stop making such statements. Honestly, what have you learned in 44 years?

I go where and do as lead as best I know, just like all of us. My interest in the Word is more than many I've observed. Besides studying gifts, I was told by others along the way who observed me and some who graded me that there is a reason for this. It led to me standing before a board of directors at Berachah being reviewed and assessed and being ordained by them under the board's hands and signature by RBT. It wasn't something I had ever seen myself doing before redeeming considerable time in the Faith, in the Word, in prayer. So, again, I'm not looking to you for counsel re: my walk in Christ, just as I'm not on things like AI. I remain open to the Word and to some I develop a trust in or am led to consider.

I quit a systematic tradition developed by men and abided in the Word as commanded and led. I do and have quit as lead and go elsewhere as led. It has been disconcerting at times to makes decisions to move on. It has always led to growth. That's how our relationship with the Head works and His Plans for each and all of His are His Plans.

All done with this now. Care to discuss enduring faith or anything else back on track?

 

[Kroogz]

1. • It looks like @Kroogz is in the background agreeing with you. Other than immediately recalling these, I'm not keeping track at the moment. What say you about the necessity for the Christian to endure as a Christian? And I think at some point I may owe @HeIsHere a response to a question like 'endure in what'?
     HEB 12:5
     And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says, “My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you

 

[Genez]

All done with this now. Care to discuss enduring faith or anything else back on track?

If someone would set me straight and define what they think enduring faith means to them?
Maybe then I would be able to discuss it.

 

[Magenta]

"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.