Loss of salvation???
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Genez, Chat GPT is analyzing the text.
Chat GPT is not proclaiming some gospel of an artificial Christ.
You have been corrected, but as usual, your behavior is retaliation.
I have seen this behavior all my life.
Genez, you should know better. Some of your posts on other topics are very good.
But not here because you have dug your heels in.
Chat GPT is not proclaiming some gospel of an artificial Christ.
You have been corrected, but as usual, your behavior is retaliation.
I have seen this behavior all my life.
Genez, you should know better. Some of your posts on other topics are very good.
But not here because you have dug your heels in.
The following passage states that a believer can be a total loser, yet not lose his salvation.....
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.
If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw,
their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be
revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has
been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will
suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.
1 Cor 3:11-15
Unlike you and I; Chat GPT can take on virtually any topic regarding the scripture.
Hebrew, Greek, Church history, Theology, you name it and Chat GPT will deal with it.
And Chat GPT will reply in under two seconds.
Chat GPT can even give you the various arguments that theologians use when discussing
the scripture.
Hebrew, Greek, Church history, Theology, you name it and Chat GPT will deal with it.
And Chat GPT will reply in under two seconds.
Chat GPT can even give you the various arguments that theologians use when discussing
the scripture.
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I will never understand why Christians seek to deny the good news.
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I asked Chat Gpt to analyze your post using only the N.T.
You're tapping into a deep and often controversial discussion, but your point about confidence in the Lord’s sanctifying power is solid. The New Testament does indeed emphasize the sustaining grace and faithfulness of Christ more than it emphasizes the possibility of falling away. Let's take your concern seriously and respond using only the New Testament—focusing on what the Word actually says about salvation, sanctification, and security in Christ.
1. The Lord is Faithful to Complete the Work
This is a foundational verse. If He began the work, He will finish it. It does not say, "If you keep yourself in line, He might finish it." Paul is confident in God’s ability to complete what He starts in believers.
2. No One Can Snatch Them from His Hand
Jesus doesn't say "they will never perish unless they mess up." He says, they will never perish. Why? Because He gives them eternal life—not conditional life.
3. There is No Condemnation
If someone is "in Christ Jesus," they are no longer under condemnation. There is no footnote here about losing salvation. The chapter goes on:
This means that God’s verdict stands, and no accusation—internal or external—can override it.
4. The Spirit’s Role in Sanctification is Ongoing and Sure
Notice the dual reality: the believer is both perfected for all time and being sanctified. The sanctification is progressive, but the position before God is already secure.
5. God is the One Who Guards Faith
Faith is not something we sustain by sheer willpower; it is guarded by God's power.
6. Christ Lives in Them and Will Not Fail
Paul does not say, "Christ lives in me as long as I keep myself together." He anchors his confidence in Christ’s love and sacrifice, not human effort.
7. The Warnings are Real—But They Are Meant to Call to Faith, Not Fear
Passages like Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 are often used to argue for "loss of salvation." But even those are filled with confidence that God will not let true believers fall:
The author writes with assurance—not fear—that the true community of faith will endure.
Final Thought:
If someone insists you can lose salvation but cannot clearly articulate where that line is, or what would constitute a "re-entry" into grace, they are making salvation more about human performance than about divine mercy and power.
Salvation is not a tightrope walk—it is being carried by the Good Shepherd.
He is able. He is faithful. And the New Testament testifies to a God who finishes what He starts.
You're tapping into a deep and often controversial discussion, but your point about confidence in the Lord’s sanctifying power is solid. The New Testament does indeed emphasize the sustaining grace and faithfulness of Christ more than it emphasizes the possibility of falling away. Let's take your concern seriously and respond using only the New Testament—focusing on what the Word actually says about salvation, sanctification, and security in Christ.
1. The Lord is Faithful to Complete the Work
"He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ."
— Philippians 1:6
This is a foundational verse. If He began the work, He will finish it. It does not say, "If you keep yourself in line, He might finish it." Paul is confident in God’s ability to complete what He starts in believers.
2. No One Can Snatch Them from His Hand
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand."
— John 10:27–28
Jesus doesn't say "they will never perish unless they mess up." He says, they will never perish. Why? Because He gives them eternal life—not conditional life.
3. There is No Condemnation
"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."
— Romans 8:1
If someone is "in Christ Jesus," they are no longer under condemnation. There is no footnote here about losing salvation. The chapter goes on:
"Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn?"
— Romans 8:33–34
This means that God’s verdict stands, and no accusation—internal or external—can override it.
4. The Spirit’s Role in Sanctification is Ongoing and Sure
"For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified."
— Hebrews 10:14
Notice the dual reality: the believer is both perfected for all time and being sanctified. The sanctification is progressive, but the position before God is already secure.
5. God is the One Who Guards Faith
"...who by God’s power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."
— 1 Peter 1:5
Faith is not something we sustain by sheer willpower; it is guarded by God's power.
6. Christ Lives in Them and Will Not Fail
"It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."
— Galatians 2:20
Paul does not say, "Christ lives in me as long as I keep myself together." He anchors his confidence in Christ’s love and sacrifice, not human effort.
7. The Warnings are Real—But They Are Meant to Call to Faith, Not Fear
Passages like Hebrews 6 and Hebrews 10 are often used to argue for "loss of salvation." But even those are filled with confidence that God will not let true believers fall:
"But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls."
— Hebrews 10:39
The author writes with assurance—not fear—that the true community of faith will endure.
Final Thought:
If someone insists you can lose salvation but cannot clearly articulate where that line is, or what would constitute a "re-entry" into grace, they are making salvation more about human performance than about divine mercy and power.
Salvation is not a tightrope walk—it is being carried by the Good Shepherd.
"Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy..."
— Jude 24
He is able. He is faithful. And the New Testament testifies to a God who finishes what He starts.
I'm still waiting for you to explain why you called me a liar. Since you're not stepping up, I'll just chock it up to emotional outbursts from the guy who passes on what he's been taught about emotions as a god.
On that topic, can you reproduce how and why koilia means emotions, or do you simply expect others to just accept what you say because your pastor told you so?
Re: security, FWIW I do believe in it. But not in the simplistic way you've been taught about it.
I also don't currently accept that it has to be loss of salvation or eternal security
I'm not concerned with tickling ears to make people untruthfully comfortable. My original request to our Father was to simply be taught the Truth so I could live it and pass it on, whatever it is and whatever it means to us and what's expected and required of us.
I know what the context of Jesus' statement is re: enduring to the end. I also know some will disagree with your eschatology. I also know how endure is spoken of in the rest of the NC. Thus, my question to @HeIsHere about the possibility that Jesus' statement had more extensive implications.
How about you, now that you've made light of endurance and used it sarcastically, what do you recall about the necessity of endurance in the Christian life?
So far it looks to me like you, @HeIsHere, and @Musicmaster say it's not necessary. It looks like @Kroogz is in the background agreeing with you. Other than immediately recalling these, I'm not keeping track at the moment. What say you about the necessity for the Christian to endure as a Christian? And I think at some point I may owe @HeIsHere a response to a question like 'endure in what'?
Can you be civil and non-sarcastic re: biblical words?
BTW, I did like RBT and his son, have met them both, and have attended physical Berachah on a few occasions.
On that topic, can you reproduce how and why koilia means emotions, or do you simply expect others to just accept what you say because your pastor told you so?
Re: security, FWIW I do believe in it. But not in the simplistic way you've been taught about it.
I also don't currently accept that it has to be loss of salvation or eternal security
I'm not concerned with tickling ears to make people untruthfully comfortable. My original request to our Father was to simply be taught the Truth so I could live it and pass it on, whatever it is and whatever it means to us and what's expected and required of us.
I know what the context of Jesus' statement is re: enduring to the end. I also know some will disagree with your eschatology. I also know how endure is spoken of in the rest of the NC. Thus, my question to @HeIsHere about the possibility that Jesus' statement had more extensive implications.
How about you, now that you've made light of endurance and used it sarcastically, what do you recall about the necessity of endurance in the Christian life?
So far it looks to me like you, @HeIsHere, and @Musicmaster say it's not necessary. It looks like @Kroogz is in the background agreeing with you. Other than immediately recalling these, I'm not keeping track at the moment. What say you about the necessity for the Christian to endure as a Christian? And I think at some point I may owe @HeIsHere a response to a question like 'endure in what'?
Can you be civil and non-sarcastic re: biblical words?
BTW, I did like RBT and his son, have met them both, and have attended physical Berachah on a few occasions.
Interesting...the use of chat gpt. I use that extensively at work for writing scientific papers and projects, with it being correct sometimes and other times in gross error. One has to watch it closely because there are many things in theology that the shiny new toy called AI cannot possibly derive with the measure of cognizance required to actually think through the theological rules for interpretation and what can only come from the Spirit (1 John 2:27).
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