Understanding God’s election

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DeanM

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God is always truthful. Men not so much; for the hearts of men are desperately wicked and deceitful above all else. Who can understand it (Jer 17:9)?

Save your sympathies for yourself and other FWs here who worship the god of your bellies known as Volition. May God have mercy on such souls who think God doesn't notice that all of you FWs want to rob a jealous God of his glory!
Whats a FW?
 

Rufus

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Scriptures such as? You mean the several verses you posted that @GWH responded to?

BTW, I didn't have an issue with a few of them. What I have an issue with is how you use Scriptures that don't say or mean what you say they do. For example, Rom9:13 and Amos5 below.

Beyond that what I personally have an issue with is your hateful attitude that sees hatred underlying everything. Hopefully you caught the Prov6 verse that both of us posted. You do know one of the uses of Scripture is as a mirror, correct?



You don't recognize these as things even though you use a word that denotes a thing?


I'm not responding to any of your TULIP thinking re: election at the moment. It's simply too far gone. Watching you twist and distort grace and election with the Remnant recently was so vividly clear that everyone should have noted what you will do to fight against Scripture to protect your traditions.
You're the one who HATES God's election and his effectual grace because you covet his glory. And what really sticks in your craw is that you still know that he's a JEALOUS God (I wonder if you think that makes him sinner?) who will not share his glory with anyone. What's even worse is that God does ALL things for his own Glory -- not man's! And that really ticks you off because you along with all worldly religious people desperately need to find ways pat yourselves on the back and take credit for your religious life. You clearly don't believe that God makes the difference between why one person believes and another doesn't. And yet you claim to be a Christian who loves God!? Why because he gave you an opportunity to save yourself? He gave you the opportunity to congratulate yourself for being so smart? :rolleyes:

And by the way, "evil" isn't a thing! Evil is the deprivation of something. No one would know that shadows exist if it weren't for sunlight. And so it is with evil. It's the absence of good. No saint will ever know what evil is in the New Order. After all, God is going to "force" everyone to behave forever and ever, don't you know? :rolleyes:
 

Magenta

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A free willer is someone who denies a lot of what Scripture says of the natural man, sweeping things
even Jesus said under the rug. They largely and without fail ascribe to the natural man qualities and
characteristics true only of the spiritual man according to Scripture. Many are Pelagian heretics.
They also seem to hate God's sovereignty, and disparage any idea that God could act unilaterally.



Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
 

DeanM

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A free willer is someone who denies a lot of what Scripture says of the natural man, sweeping things
even Jesus said under the rug. They largely and without fail ascribe to the natural man qualities and
characteristics true only of the spiritual man according to Scripture. Many are Pelagian heretics.
They also seem to hate God's sovereignty, and disparage any idea that God could act unilaterally.



Pelagian heretics insist man is inherently good. From within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. Mark 7 verses 21-22 Every inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth. Genesis 8 verse 21b Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one! Job 14 verse 4 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matthew 7 verse 18
That I know I just didnt know what FW stood for. 🙂
 

DeanM

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It beats being an idolater. At least I don't burn incense to or bow the knee to or sacrifice to your god Volition. So...there's that.
Well if your saved no matter what or not no matter what why are you here? You could be in a bar doing shots and shooting pool. I mean, why not?
 

Magenta

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Well if your saved no matter what or not no matter what why are you here?
You could be in a bar doing shots and shooting pool. I mean, why not?
I wonder if Paul thought shooting pool and doing shots would have been preferable to apologetics.

Where would any of us be now if that had happened? LOL

Anywho, just wanting to add that it seems not all of us were chosen to proclaim
the virtues of Him Who called us out of darkness into His marvelous Light.
Stick around and you may see what I mean. Or maybe not. Maybe some of those
truly foolish things that some used to say have fallen into the trash bin where they belong.
Things like, God is unfair if He reveals Himself in any way different from one person to the next.
Or, if God acts unilaterally, He is kidnapping people against their free will.



Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” Born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of His creation. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. You are chosen to proclaim the virtues of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. My soul will exult in my God, for He has clothed me with garments of salvation, and wrapped me in a robe of righteousness. Plus Isaiah 61 verse 10
 

GWH

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That's a lot of info. Thanks for the response. Too much for me to sort out other than to say when men have started talking revivals, I've always looked the other way. Seems in my past decades and surroundings it's been charismatics jetting off to join people barking like dogs as a perceived movement of the Spirit... So many people are nuts. Christians are people.

How about the anthro's?
Well, it boils down to the reason so many folks stumble at the doctrine of MFW but swallow a camel called TULIP is because Calvinism was popularized in America during the Great Awakening by a dynamic Calvinist evangelist named George Whitefield in the 1740s. While the Evangelical Revival united evangelicals across various denominations around shared beliefs, it also led to division in existing churches that is manifested on CC as the schism between TULIPists and MFWists.

I know next to nothing about the anthros. Why do you ask about them?
 

DeanM

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Maybe it would help to stop with the acronyms and instead just state what you mean.
I thought I did. So lets try this. If a calvinist is guaranteed salvaton he has no worries. He can do what he wants with no fear of hell. And if not one of the elect he is doomed no matter how righteous he lives.
 

bluejean_bible

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I thought I did. So lets try this. If a calvinist is guaranteed salvaton he has no worries. He can do what he wants with no fear of hell. Hope that helps.
How is that an explanation for the meaning of MFWist?

FW=Free Will, I got that.
MFWist?

As to your post above, maybe read what Calvinists believe.

Your observation is like the one those who are opposed to ES=Eternal Salvation,argue. What some in their circle refer to as, OSAS. In thinking OSAS is a false doctrine they insist,those who believe this,that Eternal Salvation is license to sin.

Pure nonsense, of course. And yet,the argument persists among those who are an example to the rest of us as the enduring wisdom found in 1st Corinthians 2.
 

studier

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I know next to nothing about the anthros. Why do you ask about them?
They're a way some deal with attributes like divine love and hate (under discussion, somewhat, in this thread), anger, etc. being very different with God than in men. The concept basically removes things like emotion and feelings and ties together all of His attributes (righteousness, justice, mercy, etc.) working in perfect harmony and functioning more like perfect, objective policy. So, His Word is describing Him in terms of characteristics to accommodate men who though created in His image are a far cry from being Him especially in our fallen state.
 

studier

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It beats being an idolater. At least I don't burn incense to or bow the knee to or sacrifice to your god Volition. So...there's that.
Another good one, Rufus. Talk about running on fumes.