The problem of the statement of “never saved to begin with”
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It is not changing the language, it is instead considering the semantic range of the word and how it is being used in the text.
The scripture is using the words they were commonly used in every day life at the time.
They do not have a separate special meaning within scripture.
Do yo see any distinction between the temporal salvation (an ongoing event) and the eternal salvation (a one time event) in scripture?
The scripture is using the words they were commonly used in every day life at the time.
They do not have a separate special meaning within scripture.
Do yo see any distinction between the temporal salvation (an ongoing event) and the eternal salvation (a one time event) in scripture?
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Jesus gave us the Great Commission and we read in the Gospels if we are truly followers and love Him we will obey Him.
I wonder how many profess accepting His Gift but refuse to make Disciples?
If no one is obeying Jesus, how can they claim they truly love Him
I wonder how many profess accepting His Gift but refuse to make Disciples?
If no one is obeying Jesus, how can they claim they truly love Him
I'm noticing some are inserting "truly". It's probably a good adverb to be inserting and discussing.
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One is saved or one is not. They have become a new creation or they have not. They are born from above or not. But just as a natural birth requires action on behalf of the child by the parent initially and later by the child to enjoy and grow in that life, so too does the spiritual child. The child doesn't become more saved, but the quality and enjoyment of his salvation has been enhanced.
For works to contribute to the onset or initial salvation would render Ephesians 2:8-9 false. Likewise, having no works attending new life would suggest no life exists. And if you are suggesting that works are necessary to maintain salvation, this is incorrect. While they will certainly attend one who is saved, they are not the source of life with him. Only Christ supplies this life. And it is His faithfulness to the Father and to us who are His that secures for us eternal life.
For works to contribute to the onset or initial salvation would render Ephesians 2:8-9 false. Likewise, having no works attending new life would suggest no life exists. And if you are suggesting that works are necessary to maintain salvation, this is incorrect. While they will certainly attend one who is saved, they are not the source of life with him. Only Christ supplies this life. And it is His faithfulness to the Father and to us who are His that secures for us eternal life.
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NKJ Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified? 2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? (Gal. 3:1-3 NKJ)
If our salvation is not entirely Gods will then Gods plan of salvation for the world could have failed.
I guess God would have to hang his head and kick rocks if Judas decided he was not going to betray Christ. Christ said that it would have been better if Judas would have never been born than betray the Son of Man. Did Judas have a choice? No, he was the chosen one to fulfill the will of God.
That being said, then God would be a respecter of persons if any person through man’s entire existence had the ability to choose a choice that would go against, or alter the will of God. It would be unfair to Judas. And God is not a respecter of persons.
Everyone’s name that is written in the book of life is going to Gods party. That book is sealed until gods plans for redemption is complete. There will be no fresh ink or erase marks. Why? Because it’s the divine will of God.
Before Adam. Before Christ, before creation, before gods plan of salvation for the world, first and foremost is the Glory of God. Why does he wash away sins? For HIS namesake. God is not going to entrust his glory in the hands of a finite, sinful, self centered being. What he divinely declares will be done, and he has declared me sinless in Christ, and has given me eternal life, and what does that manifest? GLORY, GLORY, GLORY to the most awesome dad ever!!! I don’t think there’s much glory being an indian giver.
GOD HAS MADE ALL THINGS FOR HIMSELF, YEA, EVEN THE WICKED FOR THE DAY OF EVIL (Prov 16:4)
I can’t figure out any other rational way to look at it.
I guess God would have to hang his head and kick rocks if Judas decided he was not going to betray Christ. Christ said that it would have been better if Judas would have never been born than betray the Son of Man. Did Judas have a choice? No, he was the chosen one to fulfill the will of God.
That being said, then God would be a respecter of persons if any person through man’s entire existence had the ability to choose a choice that would go against, or alter the will of God. It would be unfair to Judas. And God is not a respecter of persons.
Everyone’s name that is written in the book of life is going to Gods party. That book is sealed until gods plans for redemption is complete. There will be no fresh ink or erase marks. Why? Because it’s the divine will of God.
Before Adam. Before Christ, before creation, before gods plan of salvation for the world, first and foremost is the Glory of God. Why does he wash away sins? For HIS namesake. God is not going to entrust his glory in the hands of a finite, sinful, self centered being. What he divinely declares will be done, and he has declared me sinless in Christ, and has given me eternal life, and what does that manifest? GLORY, GLORY, GLORY to the most awesome dad ever!!! I don’t think there’s much glory being an indian giver.
GOD HAS MADE ALL THINGS FOR HIMSELF, YEA, EVEN THE WICKED FOR THE DAY OF EVIL (Prov 16:4)
I can’t figure out any other rational way to look at it.
Man plays some role in his salvation. His participation is not purely passive.
1. If man plays no role in his salvation, then we are faced with only two possibilities:
a. Either all men are saved, because God would have no man perish. (2 Peter 3:9)
b. Or some are predestined for salvation and others are not, and there is nothing either group can do about it. That option would make God a respecter of persons, which he is not. (Acts 10:34)
2. So where does that leave us? It must be true that man plays some role in his salvation.
a. What then must he do? We are not the first to ever ask that question. Those who heard the very first gospel sermon in Acts 2 asked that very question, and they were told to repent and be baptized.
If we do not have somewhat of a hand in our salvation, then who does? God alone? If it is God alone, then is anyone going to be cast into hell? If they are, then who chose hell for them?
1. If man plays no role in his salvation, then we are faced with only two possibilities:
a. Either all men are saved, because God would have no man perish. (2 Peter 3:9)
b. Or some are predestined for salvation and others are not, and there is nothing either group can do about it. That option would make God a respecter of persons, which he is not. (Acts 10:34)
2. So where does that leave us? It must be true that man plays some role in his salvation.
a. What then must he do? We are not the first to ever ask that question. Those who heard the very first gospel sermon in Acts 2 asked that very question, and they were told to repent and be baptized.
If we do not have somewhat of a hand in our salvation, then who does? God alone? If it is God alone, then is anyone going to be cast into hell? If they are, then who chose hell for them?