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How can those possibly be held up against scripture that hasn't already been written? What is prophetic or interpreted from tongues or knowledge will always line up with scripture.
You've convinced me pretty much that you're scared of these gifts simply because you're getting so defensive.
So I'll just leave it here. I don't want to fight with you. You can keep denying these gifts for yourself. It's not going to stop the Holy Spirit from giving them to other people willing to receive them.
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You've convinced me pretty much that you're scared of these gifts simply because you're getting so defensive.
So I'll just leave it here. I don't want to fight with you. You can keep denying these gifts for yourself. It's not going to stop the Holy Spirit from giving them to other people willing to receive them.
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sorry I missed this post. Signs and wonders are indeed for proving but proving to unbelief you never know when an unbeliever is in the mix
my issue isn't that the gifts teach the mind of Christ it is when people say they have ceased that is when I have issue they do indeed speak and teach the will of God and the mind of Christ but for three of them knowledge wisdom and prophecy you need all three to create the holy trinity of the mind of Christ so to speak
these threee are needed because even in the church we have unbelief I was astounded by some of the unbelief I saw in many churches I went to. I had one person tell me they doubted Christ rose from the dead because they have studied the word for years and no act of God ever happened so he stopped believing.
So I recieved a word to tell him and said here is your act of God your cat is going to bring you a dead baby racoon. you bet he laughed and thought I was crazy well three days later I went to wendsday church and he saw me came running and said I believe now you were right my cat brought a dead baby racvoon to my foot and so if prophecy was gone like some say how did I firstly know he had a cat and second know he was going to be brought a dead baby racooon?
my issue isn't that the gifts teach the mind of Christ it is when people say they have ceased that is when I have issue they do indeed speak and teach the will of God and the mind of Christ but for three of them knowledge wisdom and prophecy you need all three to create the holy trinity of the mind of Christ so to speak
these threee are needed because even in the church we have unbelief I was astounded by some of the unbelief I saw in many churches I went to. I had one person tell me they doubted Christ rose from the dead because they have studied the word for years and no act of God ever happened so he stopped believing.
So I recieved a word to tell him and said here is your act of God your cat is going to bring you a dead baby racoon. you bet he laughed and thought I was crazy well three days later I went to wendsday church and he saw me came running and said I believe now you were right my cat brought a dead baby racvoon to my foot and so if prophecy was gone like some say how did I firstly know he had a cat and second know he was going to be brought a dead baby racooon?
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And because I don't want you to be ignorant, as you have no idea what I have faced in my life, please read the following passage.
Luke 10:17-20
17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”
I know with absolute certainty my name is written in heaven.
James 4:7
Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
Thanks be to God the Father through Jesus Christ the Lord!
Luke 10:17-20
17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”
I know with absolute certainty my name is written in heaven.
James 4:7
Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
Thanks be to God the Father through Jesus Christ the Lord!
Huh? I say the gift of knowledge was to know who God is, you say it was for the use of knowing Him but you're right and I'm wrong?
I think you're just moving into knee jerk reactions now. I have seen the risen Christ too but it was not the visual but the scripture that came with the visual that informed me as to Who I was seeing.
I think you're just moving into knee jerk reactions now. I have seen the risen Christ too but it was not the visual but the scripture that came with the visual that informed me as to Who I was seeing.
You read about him yet when I describe him I am insulting your intellegence and you are the one who says the gift of knowledge has ceased are you not? well if they ceased and for only knowing him then we would know him completely wouldn't we?
you say the gifts are for knowing him but they are the manifestation of the spirit that is in scripture what you say they are for is not
you say the gifts are for knowing him but they are the manifestation of the spirit that is in scripture what you say they are for is not
You are equating your experience as being just as authoritative as the written word. I find that insulting sir.
I can tell you the colour of Mel Gibson's eyes but I don't know the man.
Knowing things about people is not knowing them. You should know that. You're not even making sense in the last two sentences. I don't just "read" about Him, the Spirit lives in me. The Christian faith is dynamic not simply a "good read". We learn to walk by faith in the word of God or we end up relying on our own understanding. Your "dreams and visions" are not on the same level of authority as the written word, stop treating them as if they are or you may well find yourself in a world of hurt and I do not want that for anyone.
I can tell you the colour of Mel Gibson's eyes but I don't know the man.
Knowing things about people is not knowing them. You should know that. You're not even making sense in the last two sentences. I don't just "read" about Him, the Spirit lives in me. The Christian faith is dynamic not simply a "good read". We learn to walk by faith in the word of God or we end up relying on our own understanding. Your "dreams and visions" are not on the same level of authority as the written word, stop treating them as if they are or you may well find yourself in a world of hurt and I do not want that for anyone.
Hi Sawdust! Can I first say that I 100% believe (based on numerous other posts of yours) that you are my sister in Christ and we will meet in Heaven someday?
That said, I think you are misunderstanding what the gifts (especially prophecy) are actually used for, and just how practical and effective they can be in ministry.
- Prophecy was used to discern who had been called to specific roles in the church (1Timorhy 4:14)
- Prophecy was used to comfort and edify the church (1 Cor. 14:3)
- Prophecy could be evangelistic, as in 1 Cor 14: 24-25:
But if all prophesy and an unbeliever comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face he will worship God and report that God is truly among you"
There is a common misconception that "Prophecy" only pertains to foretelling future events. That is incorrect. If you look into the examples above, I think you will agree that all those situations are still relevant to the church and its current calling. Do we "Need" the gift of prophecy in order to fill church positions, comfort and edify, and spread the Gospel? Technically, no..... all we "need" for that is the Bible. But the gift does make the job 1,000 X cooler, funner, and easier!
That said, I think you are misunderstanding what the gifts (especially prophecy) are actually used for, and just how practical and effective they can be in ministry.
- Prophecy was used to discern who had been called to specific roles in the church (1Timorhy 4:14)
- Prophecy was used to comfort and edify the church (1 Cor. 14:3)
- Prophecy could be evangelistic, as in 1 Cor 14: 24-25:
But if all prophesy and an unbeliever comes in, he is convinced by all, he is convicted by all. And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed; and so, falling down on his face he will worship God and report that God is truly among you"
There is a common misconception that "Prophecy" only pertains to foretelling future events. That is incorrect. If you look into the examples above, I think you will agree that all those situations are still relevant to the church and its current calling. Do we "Need" the gift of prophecy in order to fill church positions, comfort and edify, and spread the Gospel? Technically, no..... all we "need" for that is the Bible. But the gift does make the job 1,000 X cooler, funner, and easier!
Where is it located at within the 4 Gospels, specifically Jesus' own words, that the existing Church built from the establishment in the Book of Acts would stop being like the original Church?
My Bible states that God doesn't change and will be the same as He was all throughout the entire Bible. You people act like we should not be like the first Church we read about in the Book of Acts. Where does it say we're supposed to change?
My Bible states that God doesn't change and will be the same as He was all throughout the entire Bible. You people act like we should not be like the first Church we read about in the Book of Acts. Where does it say we're supposed to change?