Preparation for the tribulation.

[ZNP]

The tribulation happened almost two thousand years ago. The tribulation, particularly the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD, fulfilled the prophecies in Revelation. Given the historical context of the book, it was written to address the persecution of early Christians under the Roman Empire.
Instead of preparing for a future tribulation, Christians should live their faith in the present. We need to focus on delivering the Gospel to society, as well as issues like poverty and injustice. This is the most effective way to prepare for the future, regardless of one's interpretation of end-times prophecies.

Are you saying this prophesy was fulfilled in 70 AD Matthew 24:21 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Does that meant that the book of Revelation is a book of history and not prophecy?

I missed this event in history class -- Revelation 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Where does Ezekiel 38 and 39 fit in?

How about Psalm 83? Those countries never attacked Israel all at once prior to 2023.

How does that fit with Jesus' parable of the fig tree generation?

When Jesus said it would be as the days of Noah are you saying that was a reference to 70 AD?

How does this explain Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

[ewq1938]

You are in for a big but unwelcome surprise.

Post-trib, pre-wrath, 6th Seal.

Otherwise known as the 7th trump second coming.

 

[ewq1938]

The tribulation happened almost two thousand years ago.

Nope. The trib is a special time of persecution of Christians. It is not against Jews/Judaism.

 

[ParticularWife]

Nope. The trib is a special time of persecution of Christians. It is not against Jews/Judaism.

Dispensationalism is a heresy, and I don't care.

 

[ewq1938]

Dispensationalism is a heresy, and I don't care.

A more accurate name is "pre-trib rapture" and I agree it's heresy but the trib is still only against Christians not Jews.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

How does this explain Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

The original manuscripts did not have verse numbering; that is a later artificial construct that often subverts the true meanings due to the limitations of understanding of whoever did the numbering.

The first sentence in Zechariah 14:4 was fulfilled when Jesus walked many times on the Mount of Olives

The second part and all but the last sentence in verse 5 were fulfilled in the past, possibly at Jesus death or resurrection, when a landslide on the Mount of Olives filled up the Kidron Valley between the kings' gardens and Azal Valley. There is geologic and photographic evidence showing this.

The Masoretic Text (MT) version of verse 5 was changed by the Masoretes. The correct version is found in the LXX. Josephus mentions this earthquake and an ensuing landslide that blocked up the kings' gardens

And the valley of my mountains shall be blocked up, and the valley of the mountains shall be joined together until Azal, and it shall be blocked up as it was blocked up in the days of the earthquake, in the days of Uzziah king of Judah; and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with him. Zechariah 14:5​

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Below are 2 Google maps that show 1) Azal Valley (Nahal Azal) and 2) how Azal lies south of Jerusalem, which renders the MT version of verse 5 impossible, ie fleeing east through a split Mt of Olives to Azal. The south side of Azal Valley is called Mount Azal in Jerusalem today

 

[ZNP]

The original manuscripts did not have verse numbering; that is a later artificial construct that often subverts the true meanings due to the limitations of understanding of whoever did the numbering.

The first sentence in Zechariah 14:4 was fulfilled when Jesus walked many times on the Mount of Olives

The second part and all but the last sentence in verse 5 were fulfilled in the past, possibly at Jesus death or resurrection, when a landslide on the Mount of Olives filled up the Kidron Valley between the kings' gardens and Azal Valley. There is geologic and photographic evidence showing this.

The Masoretic Text (MT) version of verse 5 was changed by the Masoretes. The correct version is found in the LXX. Josephus mentions this earthquake and an ensuing landslide that blocked up the kings' gardens

And the valley of my mountains shall be blocked up, and the valley of the mountains shall be joined together until Azal, and it shall be blocked up as it was blocked up in the days of the earthquake, in the days of Uzziah king of Judah; and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with him. Zechariah 14:5​

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Below are 2 Google maps that show 1) Azal Valley (Nahal Azal) and 2) how Azal lies south of Jerusalem, which renders the MT version of verse 5 impossible, ie fleeing east through a split Mt of Olives to Azal. The south side of Azal Valley is called Mount Azal in Jerusalem today

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No thank you. I have had enough of people explaining away the Bible. They did that saying Israel returning to the land was just figurative speech.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No thank you. I have had enough of people explaining away the Bible. They did that saying Israel returning to the land was just figurative speech.

Suit yourself. You're believing a fairy tale

 

[Psalm1]

You are in for a big but unwelcome surprise.

Post-trib, pre-wrath, 6th Seal.

Give me a postrib rapture verse.
Should be very easy.
That is your investment of faith ..not the written word.
The written word completely destroys all your supposition.
But maybe you will be the first postibber on the internet to find that nonexistent verse.
Just one verse will do.

 

[Psalm1]

The tribulation happened almost two thousand years ago. The tribulation, particularly the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD, fulfilled the prophecies in Revelation. Given the historical context of the book, it was written to address the persecution of early Christians under the Roman Empire.
Instead of preparing for a future tribulation, Christians should live their faith in the present. We need to focus on delivering the Gospel to society, as well as issues like poverty and injustice. This is the most effective way to prepare for the future, regardless of one's interpretation of end-times prophecies.

Read the 10 virgin parable.
Jesus vividly Illustrated both the prep and setting.
Vividly.

 

[Psalm1]

The tribulation happened almost two thousand years ago. The tribulation, particularly the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD, fulfilled the prophecies in Revelation. Given the historical context of the book, it was written to address the persecution of early Christians under the Roman Empire.
Instead of preparing for a future tribulation, Christians should live their faith in the present. We need to focus on delivering the Gospel to society, as well as issues like poverty and injustice. This is the most effective way to prepare for the future, regardless of one's interpretation of end-times prophecies.

Oh brother.
History refuted that totally.
There never has been an Antichrist Killing people without the mark.
They're never has been an Antichrist.
That only allowed Commerce if you had a mark.
They're never has been any flying scorpions Stinging people .
there never has been any hail stones of fire Falling from the sky.
all are yet to happen.

 

[Psalm1]

You are in for a big but unwelcome surprise.

Post-trib, pre-wrath, 6th Seal.

Read Rev 14.
That is your prewrath gathering.
BTW..nothing of any postribber position fits Rev 14 or Rev 19.


It is just amazing the truth of the bible makes you guys actually go against God's word.

Wow.

 

[Psalm1]

I suspect that for the first six months you will be able to use gold and silver as currency but as soon as the digital currency is mandated (and that will be soon) it will be criminal to hold onto gold and silver. The bible says people will cast it into the street. I suspect that once it is illegal they will allow people to put it out to be picked up prior to getting arrested, like an amnesty for guns or a gun buyback program.

What won't lose value is food. You can stock up all you want, but they will come in and take over your supply. According to the Bible the women that gives birth to the manchild has to flee into the wilderness. Again, this may take a year and being prepared is certainly a good idea, but that is simply a stop gap measure.

During the tribulation they will be preaching the gospel and it will be the greatest time of revival since the book of Acts. The problem is that any online Bible will be changed by Antichrist and AI. So you need a hard copy. If you buy it with a credit card they will know and they will track you down. Also if you are a member of your church's Facebook page then they have you on a list that way as well. If you do buy a bible buy a KJV as many of the other translations have been corrupted by FreeMasons.

Also the best way to prepare for the tribulation, in the event that you are to be a tribulation saint, is to set your mind to be a martyr. Trying to avoid being caught is the wrong strategy because you will be caught, dragged kicking and screaming like a coward. No, I would boldly go out preaching the gospel. What can they do to you? Being beheaded will be much better than going through 3 1/2 years of famine, pestilence and war. Also, being beheaded is a powerful testimony that could lead to others being saved.

I am a staunch Trump supporter. however, this end times chess game is bigger than Mr. Trump.
He brought Elon Musk and vivek into his administration.
It also needs to be noted that Trump said at a rally that he had 2 crypto currencies that he was gonna try to convert the US into.
This world is marching to a destination.
one world gov.

 

[ZNP]

I am a staunch Trump supporter. however, this end times chess game is bigger than Mr. Trump.
He brought Elon Musk and vivek into his administration.
It also needs to be noted that Trump said at a rally that he had 2 crypto currencies that he was gonna try to convert the US into.
This world is marching to a destination.
one world gov.

Given the choice between Trump and Harris I felt it was a no brainer.

However, he needs our prayers. And you can forget about praying that the US does not suffer judgment, that is already written in stone and is gonna happen. My prayers at this point is that out of the tribulation coming that people get saved.

 

[BOY]

Trying to avoid being caught is the wrong strategy because you will be caught, .

Not all will be caught.
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[BOY]

Matt 25.
Some are ready and some are not.
If you want to plan on being here during the tribulation, simply do as the Foolish virgins. they end up being martyred by the Antichrist. the Bible says he kills every human being on the planet that refuses to mark.
So there is no such thing as a post tribulation rapture.

W Wrong 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

[ZNP]

Not all will be caught.
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Yes, by all means giving your all to make that rapture is the best strategy.

 

[BOY]

Yes, by all means giving your all to make that rapture is the best strategy.

I think the best strategy is God's strategy and is in the business of saving you from being killed as well. But it is a greater testimony to have your head chopped off May the Lords will be done.

1. Elisha (2 Kings 6:8-23)
God‘s faithful prophet evaded capture by the Aramean army by asking God to make the soldiers blind. This was not the only time God manufactured a miraculous escape.

2. 100 Prophets (1 Kings 18:4)
The evil queen Jezebel would make any Disney villain look like a kitten. The 100 prophets of the Lord were hidden in two caves by Obadiah to avoid Jezebel’s wrath, saving their lives.

3. Paul (Acts 9:23-25)
Paul had often been chasing Christians when he was still Saul, however, in this great escape, he was the hunted one. When the Jews in Damascus planned to kill Paul, he was lowered over the city’s walls in a basket by night.

4. Jonathan and Ahimaaz (2 Samuel 17:17-21)
It was probably dank and slippery but these two allies of King David had no other choice, hiding in a well to escape a rampaging Absalom. One wonders if one of them had tried the trick as a child after stealing a pastry!

5. Two Israelite spies (Joshua 2:16)
Rahab hid the two Israelite spies under the flax on her roof, before helping them climb out of Jericho through her window. One wonders if Paul was thinking of the story during his experience in Damascus.

6. The Exodus (Exodus 14)
God had paved the way for Israel‘s escape from Egypt, but just when all hope seemed lost, and the Israelites were trapped against the Red Sea, God sent a strong wind to part the sea and help them escape the Egyptian army.

7. The apostle Peter (Acts 12:6–11)
An angel rescued Peter from prison in the dead of night. The writer tells us he was even chained between two sleeping guards at the time. Boy did Rhoda get a fright when he turned up at the door, alive and free.

8. Noah (Genesis 7:7)
Talk about a great escape. Noah escaped the great flood in his God-designed life raft, while saving his whole family and all the animals, two-by-two.

9. Baby Moses (Exodus 2:1-4)
Faithful Jochabed could not stomach her baby boy being drowned, so she placed him in a basket and floated him down the crocodile-infested Nile river.

10. Lot (Genesis 19:15–17)
Lot and his family were rushed out of the city of Sodom by angels, just before it was destroyed. Lot‘s wife was a bit salty about leaving. Unfortunately she didn’t make it.