Preparation for the tribulation.

[ZNP]

The tribulation happened almost two thousand years ago. The tribulation, particularly the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD, fulfilled the prophecies in Revelation. Given the historical context of the book, it was written to address the persecution of early Christians under the Roman Empire.
Instead of preparing for a future tribulation, Christians should live their faith in the present. We need to focus on delivering the Gospel to society, as well as issues like poverty and injustice. This is the most effective way to prepare for the future, regardless of one's interpretation of end-times prophecies.

Are you saying this prophesy was fulfilled in 70 AD Matthew 24:21 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Does that meant that the book of Revelation is a book of history and not prophecy?

I missed this event in history class -- Revelation 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

Where does Ezekiel 38 and 39 fit in?

How about Psalm 83? Those countries never attacked Israel all at once prior to 2023.

How does that fit with Jesus' parable of the fig tree generation?

When Jesus said it would be as the days of Noah are you saying that was a reference to 70 AD?

How does this explain Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

[ewq1938]

You are in for a big but unwelcome surprise.

Post-trib, pre-wrath, 6th Seal.

Otherwise known as the 7th trump second coming.

 

[ewq1938]

The tribulation happened almost two thousand years ago.

Nope. The trib is a special time of persecution of Christians. It is not against Jews/Judaism.

 

[ParticularWife]

Nope. The trib is a special time of persecution of Christians. It is not against Jews/Judaism.

Dispensationalism is a heresy, and I don't care.

 

[ewq1938]

Dispensationalism is a heresy, and I don't care.

A more accurate name is "pre-trib rapture" and I agree it's heresy but the trib is still only against Christians not Jews.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

How does this explain Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

The original manuscripts did not have verse numbering; that is a later artificial construct that often subverts the true meanings due to the limitations of understanding of whoever did the numbering.

The first sentence in Zechariah 14:4 was fulfilled when Jesus walked many times on the Mount of Olives

The second part and all but the last sentence in verse 5 were fulfilled in the past, possibly at Jesus death or resurrection, when a landslide on the Mount of Olives filled up the Kidron Valley between the kings' gardens and Azal Valley. There is geologic and photographic evidence showing this.

The Masoretic Text (MT) version of verse 5 was changed by the Masoretes. The correct version is found in the LXX. Josephus mentions this earthquake and an ensuing landslide that blocked up the kings' gardens

And the valley of my mountains shall be blocked up, and the valley of the mountains shall be joined together until Azal, and it shall be blocked up as it was blocked up in the days of the earthquake, in the days of Uzziah king of Judah; and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with him. Zechariah 14:5​

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Below are 2 Google maps that show 1) Azal Valley (Nahal Azal) and 2) how Azal lies south of Jerusalem, which renders the MT version of verse 5 impossible, ie fleeing east through a split Mt of Olives to Azal. The south side of Azal Valley is called Mount Azal in Jerusalem today

 

[ZNP]

The original manuscripts did not have verse numbering; that is a later artificial construct that often subverts the true meanings due to the limitations of understanding of whoever did the numbering.

The first sentence in Zechariah 14:4 was fulfilled when Jesus walked many times on the Mount of Olives

The second part and all but the last sentence in verse 5 were fulfilled in the past, possibly at Jesus death or resurrection, when a landslide on the Mount of Olives filled up the Kidron Valley between the kings' gardens and Azal Valley. There is geologic and photographic evidence showing this.

The Masoretic Text (MT) version of verse 5 was changed by the Masoretes. The correct version is found in the LXX. Josephus mentions this earthquake and an ensuing landslide that blocked up the kings' gardens

And the valley of my mountains shall be blocked up, and the valley of the mountains shall be joined together until Azal, and it shall be blocked up as it was blocked up in the days of the earthquake, in the days of Uzziah king of Judah; and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with him. Zechariah 14:5​

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Below are 2 Google maps that show 1) Azal Valley (Nahal Azal) and 2) how Azal lies south of Jerusalem, which renders the MT version of verse 5 impossible, ie fleeing east through a split Mt of Olives to Azal. The south side of Azal Valley is called Mount Azal in Jerusalem today

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No thank you. I have had enough of people explaining away the Bible. They did that saying Israel returning to the land was just figurative speech.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

No thank you. I have had enough of people explaining away the Bible. They did that saying Israel returning to the land was just figurative speech.

Suit yourself. You're believing a fairy tale

 

[Psalm1]

You are in for a big but unwelcome surprise.

Post-trib, pre-wrath, 6th Seal.

Give me a postrib rapture verse.
Should be very easy.
That is your investment of faith ..not the written word.
The written word completely destroys all your supposition.
But maybe you will be the first postibber on the internet to find that nonexistent verse.
Just one verse will do.

 

[Psalm1]

The tribulation happened almost two thousand years ago. The tribulation, particularly the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD, fulfilled the prophecies in Revelation. Given the historical context of the book, it was written to address the persecution of early Christians under the Roman Empire.
Instead of preparing for a future tribulation, Christians should live their faith in the present. We need to focus on delivering the Gospel to society, as well as issues like poverty and injustice. This is the most effective way to prepare for the future, regardless of one's interpretation of end-times prophecies.

Read the 10 virgin parable.
Jesus vividly Illustrated both the prep and setting.
Vividly.

 

[Psalm1]

The tribulation happened almost two thousand years ago. The tribulation, particularly the Roman siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD, fulfilled the prophecies in Revelation. Given the historical context of the book, it was written to address the persecution of early Christians under the Roman Empire.
Instead of preparing for a future tribulation, Christians should live their faith in the present. We need to focus on delivering the Gospel to society, as well as issues like poverty and injustice. This is the most effective way to prepare for the future, regardless of one's interpretation of end-times prophecies.

Oh brother.
History refuted that totally.
There never has been an Antichrist Killing people without the mark.
They're never has been an Antichrist.
That only allowed Commerce if you had a mark.
They're never has been any flying scorpions Stinging people .
there never has been any hail stones of fire Falling from the sky.
all are yet to happen.