Not only that but with the entire OT history of Israel, that was an apostate strikeout artist three times over! The nation was hardly the paragon of virtue, love, faith and obedience.
Understanding God’s election
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Not only that but with the entire OT history of Israel, that was an apostate strikeout artist three times over! The nation was hardly the paragon of virtue, love, faith and obedience.
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To bring in the simplicity of God and His unity, we will see that God's sovereign decrees are necessary, not because of any mechanisms within him or constraints from without, but because He is God and doing anything which was not perfect would mean He was not God. Some people want to argue God is not subject to logical coherence, but I don't want to argue that he is, what He is, though, is God.
One can also think of it in the sense of 'being free to make a mistake on purpose'. If you do intentionally it's not a mistake.
Christian freedom has never been about ontological liberty of decisions, or political systems (which may be important in their own right) but about escaping the bondage of Sin. In this sense, God is totally free, as God by His nature does nothing wrong, either morally or practically.
The (political) liberal mentality infests the Boomer Truth Regime, just do your own thing, maaaan.
By the way, my father was older than a Boomer and he knew exactly what I'm talking about. This isn't some problem I have with old people, it's a problem with the state religion (Boomer Truth Regime) of the Global American Empire (GAE). It just happens to be at its most obstinate and institutional among actual Baby Boomers.
So you are saying that all of those little kids running around your Church don't have actual free will?
Really? Well I think that such a proposal is......insane. And I don't think that you or any of your Calvinite crew actually believe it. Rather, it is dogma that you learned to rehearse exactly the same way as the "bad" Pharisees........and for exactly the same reasons.
And I can't wait until you try and explain this "you are a mindless wind up toy" nonsense to your kids. But I doubt that you'll do that either.
But if you do......stock up on meds and straitjackets first.
I am talking about the Jews who were real Jews.
Faith is the Word of God believed as being real.
Religion is the word of God that one assumes to believe but can not be sure when their feet are put to the fire. .
The only real Jews are the children of promise who also just happen to be biological Jews.
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ParticularWife
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Not all biological Jews, either. We have people who joined them, some Persians and Medes, for example. Even then the key was Faith, not blood, but one had to be 'grafted in' in a civil way as well.
Jesus came to give sight to the blind, unstop the ears of the deaf, and raise the dead to new life in Him.
If you have ears to hear and eyes to see, you should be thanking Him and not your imaginary free will.
Matthew 13:16-17 Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
Jesus Christ is my salvation. I believed the gospel of Jesus Christ.
1. hear the gospel
2. believe the gospel
3. sealed by the Spirit
4. predestinated unto the adoption, the redemption of the body
I think it helps alleviate any concern that you are not being heard or respected for your views if you recognize you are being targeted for personal attacks,which is against the rules here, and ad hominem attacks, by those who are fixated upon acting out those reprobate behaviors.
The, "Calvinism bad", fixation is chronic here. I searched to find that out.
Intelligent Exegesis debate does not attack the individual. It confronts the argument.
The blessing I find in encountering the toxic faction in an Exegesis debate arrives in the proof it provides in reiterating Jesus teaching that tells us, only through intercession of the Holy Spirit is one able to see and hear The Word of God.
And yet, Peter was not saved yet like you and I. Did Peter have the Holy Spirit?
Yes, I'm aware of that. All believers are the sons and daughters of Abraham. But Genez was talking about biological narrow, so I kept it narrow on purpose.
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ParticularWife
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I am familiar, in real life, with a number of Baptist groups, whom I otherwise agree with (Pastor Steven Anderson in Arizona, for example) who are comically deranged about Reformed soteriology. It's like the TDS of theology.
They don't really bother me, I just find it annoying that it's so repetitive. I know plenty of people who aren't Calvinistic but aren't demented and obsessed by it.
Of course. If he didn't, he wouldn't belong to Christ...Romans 8:9. Did he belong to Christ?
Salvation hasn't changed. It has always been by grace...Noah found grace in the sight of the Lord...through faith...Abraham believed God.
I agree .
To learn Anderson is still in the pulpit is surprising. He's bad news.
Calvinism "bad" was not the norm, until after numerous opportunities were provided to prove your points,
which ended up with having us labelled, "free willers," as the end all solution.
Might as well go to a Catholic forum and try to reason with them, that... "Mary is not the mother of God."
Problem is: Those who lock onto illogical dogma have no keys hanging outside their cell, for others to help them to get out.
Someone threw away the keys.
The only real Jews were biological Jews who believed in the Lord God of Israel.
Now, in the Church age?
There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ Jesus!
Both who believe, have now become a new creation!
No more Jew and gentile!
For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall
of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments
contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making
peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby
putting to death the enmity." Ephesians 2:14-16
In the Church age there are no more Jew nor Gentile. In the Church, Jews are called Jews only to make known their
biological background!
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