Understanding God’s election
- Thread starter dougcho
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
No one said man doesn't have a choice -- only that God's image-bearers will always choose according to his nature, just as God always chooses according to his. Don't forget: man is a prisoner to his sin nature (Rom 7:23). And...even prisoners have limited freedom to choose how they're going to spend their time, for example, in their in 10 x 8 cell.
Salvation is given to God's elect solely and completely as His gift to them. Those chosen for it have no role to play in it but as its recipients. Anything other than that would make it not by God's grace but by our work, yet no one can be saved by their works.
That is why Christ alone is Savior and man is not.
That is why we are told:
[Eph 2:4-6, 8-10 KJV]
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: ...
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
That is why Christ alone is Savior and man is not.
That is why we are told:
[Eph 2:4-6, 8-10 KJV]
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: ...
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
-
2
- Show all
You still have a body? Yes? No?
Your soul resides inside your flesh... Which still retains the capacity for sin.
Yet, how is it that you now choose (hopefully) for the truth?
The same truth you would automatically have rejected when left to your own power...
Why can you now choose not to sin. Not to reject the Word of God.
Could you do that while you were as you were before regeneration took place?
You remind me of what the liberal media does to anyone who opposes their mindset.
I have no problem with you as long as there are believers walking in the Spirit who can discern what is needed.
For them I say what I do...
So?
You believe God could not have offered Lucifer any mercy while on his trek to rejecting God?
That God can not offer mercy to his would be enemies?
And, God could not offer reconciliation to Lucifer if he only would admit his error before it was too late?
I have no problem with you as long as there are believers walking in the Spirit who can discern what is needed.
For them I say what I do...
So?
You believe God could not have offered Lucifer any mercy while on his trek to rejecting God?
That God can not offer mercy to his would be enemies?
And, God could not offer reconciliation to Lucifer if he only would admit his error before it was too late?
It originated with Adam.
We inherited his nature from the flesh we were born with.
Sin entered the world by means of one man...
When it says, " because all sinned?"
Without knowing what the Greek states one would be confused as to what that is meaning.
The Greek is saying that we all sinned in a single point in time!
That single point in time was when Adam ate of the fruit!
How is that? For Adam's fallen nature was passed down to all mankind by means of sexual reproduction.
In sexual reproduction a man and women produce a fallen body.
Yet? God creates each soul that enters the fallen bodies that are born.
Those are details that some still fail to see.
Some assume that that father and mother produce a human soul in sexual reproduction.
It's only the body that they produce.
We inherited his nature from the flesh we were born with.
Sin entered the world by means of one man...
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin,
and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned."
When it says, " because all sinned?"
Without knowing what the Greek states one would be confused as to what that is meaning.
The Greek is saying that we all sinned in a single point in time!
That single point in time was when Adam ate of the fruit!
How is that? For Adam's fallen nature was passed down to all mankind by means of sexual reproduction.
In sexual reproduction a man and women produce a fallen body.
Yet? God creates each soul that enters the fallen bodies that are born.
Those are details that some still fail to see.
Some assume that that father and mother produce a human soul in sexual reproduction.
It's only the body that they produce.
This is the thing.
Sophism?
Is not God's word.
God's word teaches the Christian who understands the Spirit of The Word. And when that Spirit tells us eternal fire awaits Satan and his fallen angel army and demons, that's it!
There is no caveat. "Unless they repent...." As you insist.
Why?
Easy.
Lucifer was with God in Heaven first.
His pride and arrogance and vanity let Lucifer to think he could rule from the throne of God far more effectively than his creator. So Lucifer sinned and turned on God. And led a war against him thinking to secure that throne.
You are demonstrating a behavior that insists only those ordained by Holy Spirit can see things your way.
That spirit is condemned. And no mortal advocate changes God's will.
You are wrong. God will not save Lucifer,now known as ha Satan. Because Lucifer was blessed first. And then turned against that and sinned against his creator.
When what you espouse is not and has never been in scripture,not even implied, you walk a dangerous path.
No Christian shall ever believe you when God's words call you false.
The end.
Sophism?
Is not God's word.
God's word teaches the Christian who understands the Spirit of The Word. And when that Spirit tells us eternal fire awaits Satan and his fallen angel army and demons, that's it!
There is no caveat. "Unless they repent...." As you insist.
Why?
Easy.
Lucifer was with God in Heaven first.
His pride and arrogance and vanity let Lucifer to think he could rule from the throne of God far more effectively than his creator. So Lucifer sinned and turned on God. And led a war against him thinking to secure that throne.
You are demonstrating a behavior that insists only those ordained by Holy Spirit can see things your way.
That spirit is condemned. And no mortal advocate changes God's will.
You are wrong. God will not save Lucifer,now known as ha Satan. Because Lucifer was blessed first. And then turned against that and sinned against his creator.
When what you espouse is not and has never been in scripture,not even implied, you walk a dangerous path.
No Christian shall ever believe you when God's words call you false.
The end.