Understanding God’s election
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Good grief! Do you ever get anything right?
Main Entry:1stu£pid
Pronunciation:*st*-p*d, *sty*-
Function:adjective
Etymology:Middle French stupide, from Latin stupidus, from stup*re to be numb, be astonished— more at TYPE
Date:1541
1 a : slow of mind : OBTUSE b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c : lacking intelligence or reason : BRUTISH
2 : dulled in feeling or sensation : TORPID *still stupid from the sedative*
3 : marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting : SENSELESS
4 a : lacking interest or point b : VEXATIOUS, EXASPERATING *this stupid flashlight won't work*
–stu£pid£ly adverb
–stu£pid£ness noun
synonyms STUPID, DULL, DENSE, CRASS, DUMB mean lacking in power to absorb ideas or impressions. STUPID implies a slow-witted or dazed state of mind that may be either congenital or temporary *stupid students just keeping the seats warm* *stupid with drink*. DULL suggests a slow or sluggish mind such as results from disease, depression, or shock *monotonous work that leaves the mind dull*. DENSE implies a thickheaded imperviousness to ideas *too dense to take a hint*. CRASS suggests a grossness of mind precluding discrimination or delicacy *a crass, materialistic people*. DUMB applies to an exasperating obtuseness or lack of comprehension *too dumb to figure out what's going on*.
Main Entry:1stu£pid
Pronunciation:*st*-p*d, *sty*-
Function:adjective
Etymology:Middle French stupide, from Latin stupidus, from stup*re to be numb, be astonished— more at TYPE
Date:1541
1 a : slow of mind : OBTUSE b : given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c : lacking intelligence or reason : BRUTISH
2 : dulled in feeling or sensation : TORPID *still stupid from the sedative*
3 : marked by or resulting from unreasoned thinking or acting : SENSELESS
4 a : lacking interest or point b : VEXATIOUS, EXASPERATING *this stupid flashlight won't work*
–stu£pid£ly adverb
–stu£pid£ness noun
synonyms STUPID, DULL, DENSE, CRASS, DUMB mean lacking in power to absorb ideas or impressions. STUPID implies a slow-witted or dazed state of mind that may be either congenital or temporary *stupid students just keeping the seats warm* *stupid with drink*. DULL suggests a slow or sluggish mind such as results from disease, depression, or shock *monotonous work that leaves the mind dull*. DENSE implies a thickheaded imperviousness to ideas *too dense to take a hint*. CRASS suggests a grossness of mind precluding discrimination or delicacy *a crass, materialistic people*. DUMB applies to an exasperating obtuseness or lack of comprehension *too dumb to figure out what's going on*.
you guys should consider what this is saying A quote from the bible
“hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? ( never once )
And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? ( Not once ) And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:2-8, 13-14 KJV
the hiers are the children in Christ the one and only son who existed beforehand forever and was manifest in the world in the gospel.
angles aren’t the sons of God mankind has always been the chosen children those made in Gods own image and likeness and given dominion over earth
“hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? ( never once )
And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son? ( Not once ) And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, And his ministers a flame of fire.
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:2-8, 13-14 KJV
the hiers are the children in Christ the one and only son who existed beforehand forever and was manifest in the world in the gospel.
angles aren’t the sons of God mankind has always been the chosen children those made in Gods own image and likeness and given dominion over earth
Then consider this
“For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, In the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, ( mankind ) he also himself likewise took part of the same; ( he became one of us in Christ the only sin so we can become them ) that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels;
but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
Hebrews 2:10-12, 14-17 KJV
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
Genesis 1:26-27 KJV
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29
A New Testament to return man to our original ourpise and state
“God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; He judgeth among the gods.
How long will ye judge unjustly, And accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: Do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: Rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
They know not, neither will they understand; They walk on in darkness: All the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; And all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes.
Arise, O God, ( Jesus the Christ ) judge the earth: For thou shalt inherit all nations.”
Psalm 82:1-8 KJV
And then those in Christ the son also have the inheritance of a new earth . He chose man from the beginning to be his children the sons of God were men of those early generetions like Seth , Enoch , Noah ect
angels are spirits they can’t breed with women they are flesh and blood Gods people began to breed and marry with cains people and the wickedness spread like it always dies into the world then “ the sons of God are man not angels
“For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, In the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, ( mankind ) he also himself likewise took part of the same; ( he became one of us in Christ the only sin so we can become them ) that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
For verily he took not on him the nature of angels;
but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
Hebrews 2:10-12, 14-17 KJV
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
Genesis 1:26-27 KJV
“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:26-29
A New Testament to return man to our original ourpise and state
“God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; He judgeth among the gods.
How long will ye judge unjustly, And accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: Do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: Rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
They know not, neither will they understand; They walk on in darkness: All the foundations of the earth are out of course. I have said, Ye are gods; And all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes.
Arise, O God, ( Jesus the Christ ) judge the earth: For thou shalt inherit all nations.”
Psalm 82:1-8 KJV
And then those in Christ the son also have the inheritance of a new earth . He chose man from the beginning to be his children the sons of God were men of those early generetions like Seth , Enoch , Noah ect
angels are spirits they can’t breed with women they are flesh and blood Gods people began to breed and marry with cains people and the wickedness spread like it always dies into the world then “ the sons of God are man not angels
Yes Gods grace is given towards mankind they are able me hear Gods word and react like this
“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.”
Genesis 4:6-8 NIV
now did God not “ enable “ Cain ? or did cain reject his word and do things his own way because he followed jealousy and spite and rebellion ?
did God make cain kill his brother by telling him “ if you do what’s right you’ll be accepted , but if you don’t do what’s right sin is waiting to get you , you must overcome it ? “
he told cain how he could be accepted and overcome it was doing what’s right and not doing evil. Whose choice was it to lure his brother out and kill him ? Gods because he didn’t make cain capable ? Or cain man who decides to reject his word nd handle it his way ?
“Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
Now Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.” While they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.”
Genesis 4:6-8 NIV
now did God not “ enable “ Cain ? or did cain reject his word and do things his own way because he followed jealousy and spite and rebellion ?
did God make cain kill his brother by telling him “ if you do what’s right you’ll be accepted , but if you don’t do what’s right sin is waiting to get you , you must overcome it ? “
he told cain how he could be accepted and overcome it was doing what’s right and not doing evil. Whose choice was it to lure his brother out and kill him ? Gods because he didn’t make cain capable ? Or cain man who decides to reject his word nd handle it his way ?
My opinion is No not that I’ve ever read but I’m no one official or different from anyone else who may have read something I believe that it says they can’t actually
“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”
Jude 1:6 KJV
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
Matthew 25:41 KJV
It seems like they know this also
“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?”
Matthew 8:29 KJV
I don’t think I’ve ever read anything about angels repenting but rather being blamed for mankind’s fall along with man God is really angry at Satan and the rebellion in heaven . He speaks a lot about it in the ot prophets , it’s hard to follow tho
“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”
Jude 1:6 KJV
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
Matthew 25:41 KJV
It seems like they know this also
“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?”
Matthew 8:29 KJV
I don’t think I’ve ever read anything about angels repenting but rather being blamed for mankind’s fall along with man God is really angry at Satan and the rebellion in heaven . He speaks a lot about it in the ot prophets , it’s hard to follow tho
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Men who he had translated by faith like Enoch .
From the early generations before the floods and new covenant made with Noah and his sons. Seths line.
you never find God saying this of angels in the Bible
“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
Exodus 4:22 KJV
“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?
….But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:5, 13-14 KJV
what I’m saying and I think is the disconnect is the beginning jesus was there and they also called on his name
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. …But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
John 1:1-2, 4, 12 KJV
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
Hebrews 2:14, 16-17
angels are ministering spirits men are partakers of flesh and blood the children are Men like Abraham and his seed men like Seth , methuselah , Enoch , Noah , job , Daniel ect men who walked by faith and inherited the kingdom together with all who accept and follow now
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
…By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.”
Hebrews 11:13-14, 16-19, 39-40 KJV
Jesus is the creator in the beginning before he became flesh is what I’m saying he was able to save them also who walked with him then as disciples and children . In the ot they are talking about what he would do , the gospel he does it , the nt is about what is done now . But faith can be from any point of we believe like Noah , Enoch , Daniel , job ect all part of the same family of faith but things just werent fulfilled until Jesus came they already had the promise we have and wait for they waited also for thier promise in Christ like we are called the sons of God because they believed in and called upon his name even in the beginning
“And to Seth, ( Abel’s replacement ) to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.”
Genesis 4:26 KJV
“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
Revelation 13:8 KJV
He already had determined his plan to redeem man and was telling them in the ot so they too could believe and be saved when he came
“When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.”
Hosea 11:1 KJV
“Wherefore Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, And touch not the unclean thing; And I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, And ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”
2 Corinthians 6:17-18 KJV
“And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”
Revelation 21:6-7 KJV
scripture never says that of angels it says they are ministering spirits who are sent to minister to man the heirs of salvstion the children are heirs
This is all just my own opinion tho from scripture the way I read it , I don’t mean to sound like I’m saying “ you don’t get it “ or anything just laying out my case with some scripture to consider
From the early generations before the floods and new covenant made with Noah and his sons. Seths line.
you never find God saying this of angels in the Bible
“And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:”
Exodus 4:22 KJV
“For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?
….But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
Hebrews 1:5, 13-14 KJV
what I’m saying and I think is the disconnect is the beginning jesus was there and they also called on his name
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. …But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:”
John 1:1-2, 4, 12 KJV
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.”
Hebrews 2:14, 16-17
angels are ministering spirits men are partakers of flesh and blood the children are Men like Abraham and his seed men like Seth , methuselah , Enoch , Noah , job , Daniel ect men who walked by faith and inherited the kingdom together with all who accept and follow now
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
…By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.”
Hebrews 11:13-14, 16-19, 39-40 KJV
Jesus is the creator in the beginning before he became flesh is what I’m saying he was able to save them also who walked with him then as disciples and children . In the ot they are talking about what he would do , the gospel he does it , the nt is about what is done now . But faith can be from any point of we believe like Noah , Enoch , Daniel , job ect all part of the same family of faith but things just werent fulfilled until Jesus came they already had the promise we have and wait for they waited also for thier promise in Christ like we are called the sons of God because they believed in and called upon his name even in the beginning
“And to Seth, ( Abel’s replacement ) to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.”
Genesis 4:26 KJV
“And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
Revelation 13:8 KJV
He already had determined his plan to redeem man and was telling them in the ot so they too could believe and be saved when he came
“When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.”
Hosea 11:1 KJV
“Wherefore Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, And touch not the unclean thing; And I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, And ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.”
2 Corinthians 6:17-18 KJV
“And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”
Revelation 21:6-7 KJV
scripture never says that of angels it says they are ministering spirits who are sent to minister to man the heirs of salvstion the children are heirs
This is all just my own opinion tho from scripture the way I read it , I don’t mean to sound like I’m saying “ you don’t get it “ or anything just laying out my case with some scripture to consider
Mmhm
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
….For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:16, 26-29 KJV
in other words of Jesus beforehand
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
….For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:16, 26-29 KJV
in other words of Jesus beforehand
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
Does the Bible have to spell everything out in simple black and white wording?
The more sound doctrine you want to learn...
The more you have stored in your spirit?
The Holy Spirit will teach your spirit how to correlate in ways that add up, but was not being seen in print.. as some demand before they will believe something that they do not see spelled out for them in Scripture.
If everything was spelled out in Scripture, so all we would have to do, would be to memorize?
And, not think?
The following passage would not be there to be read.
"Insight.." requires learning lots of knowledge first... and being still while you do.
Coming here, and other forums. to promote distorted doctrine, feels good to those
who have a need to take control over others.
God would not be God, if did not offer mercy to the angels who were beginning to fall,
offering them a chance to repent.
God does not change.
The more sound doctrine you want to learn...
The more you have stored in your spirit?
The Holy Spirit will teach your spirit how to correlate in ways that add up, but was not being seen in print.. as some demand before they will believe something that they do not see spelled out for them in Scripture.
If everything was spelled out in Scripture, so all we would have to do, would be to memorize?
And, not think?
The following passage would not be there to be read.
And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more
in knowledge and depth of insight... Philippians 1:9
"Insight.." requires learning lots of knowledge first... and being still while you do.
Coming here, and other forums. to promote distorted doctrine, feels good to those
who have a need to take control over others.
God would not be God, if did not offer mercy to the angels who were beginning to fall,
offering them a chance to repent.
God does not change.