Understanding God’s election

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

They could have (before the point of no return) have repented.

And who would have paid for their sins?

 

[Cameron143]

Angels are spiritual by nature.
They are not innately soulish, like men.

Even demons can understand spiritual truths that unregenerate man remains dull to.
They could have (before the point of no return) have repented.

We need to outgrow our 'human viewpoint" thinking.

So angels don't need a redeemer? Are sins forgiven because they are paid for or because someone repents? Humans find forgiveness through repentance because we have a propitiation. Otherwise, there would be unrighteousness with God if sins are forgiven without the requisite atonement.
Further, what covering is provided to the angels. Sin requires not only atonement, but also the righteousness owed to God in the thing we sinned in. In other words, we not only sinned, but we failed to obey. In this we did not fulfill the righteousness required of us. How and when is the righteousness of Christ imputed to angels?

 

[Genez]

And who would have paid for their sins?

Evil is a state of mind...

You and me commit evil even now.
How do we nullify evil?

Change your thinking = repentance.
Sound doctrine counteracts evil.
Repentance is a decision to conform to sound doctrine.

We sin by impulse, because we are fleshly which will over ride our soul.
Angels are not soul. They are spirit.
Spirit remains being spiritual in its perception.

As for us?
Being born with fallen flesh makes us DEAD and blind to what is spiritual.

That is why we need to become born again.. to make us capable to be spiritual more like angels in their perceptive abilities.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Evil is a state of mind...

You and me commit evil even now.
How do we nullify evil?

Change your thinking = repentance.
Sound doctrine counteracts evil.
Repentance is a decision to conform to sound doctrine.

We sin by impulse, because we are fleshly which will over ride our soul.
Angels are not soul. They are spirit.
Spirit remains being spiritual in its perception.

As for us?
Being born with fallen flesh makes us DEAD and blind to what is spiritual.

That is why we need to become born again.. to make us capable to be spiritual more like angels in their perceptive abilities.

So basically what you're saying is the angels didn't sin because they are spirit, but are lost because they don't repent. Is that close?

 

[Genez]

And who would have paid for their sins?

Jesus became flesh and blood.
He died for our sins of the flesh.
Our flesh dies, but our souls continue to live on.

Angels are spirit.
Spirit can not die.
Their problem was WRONG THINKING.
Wrong thinking that opposes God's thinking is evil, not sin.

Jesus died for sins.
Jesus could not die for evil.

No man is going to Hell for his sins.
Jesus paid the penalty for all mankind's sins.
Man is going to Hell for his evil. His sins have been paid for.

Believers are going to be denied eternal rewards for the evil they refused to repent of.
They will not lose their salvation.

 

[Genez]

So basically what you're saying is the angels didn't sin because they are spirit, but are lost because they don't repent. Is that close?

Angels do not have bodies that become fallen when they sinned.
The angels that fell, lost their bodies!
That is why we only read of angels appearing in bodily form!
Its why demons crave to possess a body!
Even if its a body of a swine!

Only God's angels can materialize.
Not demons...

Man died spiritually when he fell.
Angels that rebelled?
They died physically when they fell.
They lost their ability to materialize physically.

 

[rogerg]

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Yes, there is but one spiritual, not human, seed, and all who are of the promise are of that spiritual seed, including Christ.

In the following verses, all references to "seed" are in the singular. I'm guessing that was the point of your post above.

[Psa 22:23 KJV]
23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

[Psa 22:30 KJV]
30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

[Psa 22:23 KJV]
23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

[Psa 105:6 KJV]
6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.

[Mat 13:38 KJV]
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

[Heb 2:11 KJV]
11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified [are] all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

….For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The baptism in view is spiritual baptism given by the Holy Spirit, not water baptism given by man. Those who become baptized by the Holy Spirit had been designated by God as His heirs - the heirs of His will. They cannot be added to nor removed.

[1Pe 3:21 KJV]
21 The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

[Rev 1:5,6 KJV]
5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yes, to truly believe comes from/by the faith given by God as a gift when one is saved/born again. True belief originates solely with God not man. They cannot be damned because they have been saved and their belief a result of that salvation.

[Jhn 6:29 KJV]
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

[Phl 1:29 KJV]
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

[Genez]

 

[MeowFlower]

Here?

What did you mean by Here?

Do you all attend the same church?

We attend the same forum. ChristianChat.com

 

[MeowFlower]

Does the Bible have to spell everything out in simple black and white wording?

The more sound doctrine you want to learn...
The more you have stored in your spirit?
The Holy Spirit will teach your spirit how to correlate in ways that add up, but was not being seen in print.. as some demand before they will believe something that they do not see spelled out for them in Scripture.

If everything was spelled out in Scripture, so all we would have to do, would be to memorize?
And, not think?

The following passage would not be there to be read.

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more ​

in knowledge and depth of insight... Philippians 1:9​

"Insight.." requires learning lots of knowledge first... and being still while you do.
Coming here, and other forums. to promote distorted doctrine, feels good to those
who have a need to take control over others.

God would not be God, if did not offer mercy to the angels who were beginning to fall,
offering them a chance to repent.

God does not change.

That's right God does not change.

Which is why nowhere in his word does he say Satan and his fallen angels,demons, shall be redeemed from sin.

 

[MeowFlower]

I will never agree with fallen doctrine.

Why do you promote it here?

 

[Genez]

We attend the same forum. ChristianChat.com

I will never agree with fallen doctrine.

Why do you promote it here?

To those who live in, and accept what is false? ... The truth is false.

There...

That make you feel better?

 

[Genez]

That's right God does not change.

Which is why nowhere in his word does he say Satan and his fallen angels,demons, shall be redeemed from sin.

If you keep distorting what I said?
And, try to condemn me for something that you distorted, not what I said?
Its going to make you look stupid.

For anybody can look back and see what I did say.

You are doing now just like the liberal media tried for years against those who stood for freedom.
And... look now, where doing that, got them.

Your day will come, too.

 

[Kroogz]

Jesus became flesh and blood.
He died for our sins of the flesh.
Our flesh dies, but our souls continue to live on.

Angels are spirit.
Spirit can not die.
Their problem was WRONG THINKING.
Wrong thinking that opposes God's thinking is evil, not sin.

Jesus died for sins.
Jesus could not die for evil.

No man is going to Hell for his sins.
Jesus paid the penalty for all mankind's sins.
Man is going to Hell for his evil. His sins have been paid for.

Believers are going to be denied eternal rewards for the evil they refused to repent of.
They will not lose their salvation.

This is a basic fundamental of Bible doctrine 101. And very, very few believers know it or believe it.

Christ paid for all sin, but he did not pay for evil.......And human good is evil.

All sin is evil, but not all evil is sin.

Great post!

Rev 20:12~~And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

All sin is paid for, but human good and evil is NOT. Human good and "working" for ones salvation is arguably Satan's biggest and most dangerous deception. At the final judgement, human good is judged not sin.

Matt 7:23~~Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

 

[Genez]

Rev 20:12~~And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

All sin is paid for, but human good and evil is NOT. Human good and "working" for ones salvation is arguably Satan's biggest and most dangerous deception. At the final judgement, human good is judged not sin.

Matt 7:23~~Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

According to their deeds = their works.

Why will the unbeliever be condemned after his works are reviewed?
Because...... one single work will not be found.

This one, single work.

Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”​

​

Jesus answered and said to them, ​

“Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” ” John 6:28-29​

We know that we are not saved by works.
Works were a list of deeds to perform as a means to gain the approval of God.
Works was an invention of legalistic religion.

Only one work God accepts onto salvation.
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ."
That is the one work will not be found for the unbeliever who will face condemnation.

grace and peace !

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God's saving grace is not given to all mankind. Only to God's chosen people.

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you find it here

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I know you said a lot of words. But I do not see how it related to what you responded to.

Im okay tbat you dont see it

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Of course he does. He changes in the ways he deals with his people

Yes, there is but one spiritual, not human, seed, and all who are of the promise are of that spiritual seed, including Christ.

In the following verses, all references to "seed" are in the singular. I'm guessing that was the point of your post above.

[Psa 22:23 KJV]
23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

[Psa 22:30 KJV]
30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

[Psa 22:23 KJV]
23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.

[Psa 105:6 KJV]
6 O ye seed of Abraham his servant, ye children of Jacob his chosen.

[Mat 13:38 KJV]
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

[Heb 2:11 KJV]
11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified [are] all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,



The baptism in view is spiritual baptism given by the Holy Spirit, not water baptism given by man. Those who become baptized by the Holy Spirit had been designated by God as His heirs - the heirs of His will. They cannot be added to nor removed.

[1Pe 3:21 KJV]
21 The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

[Rev 1:5,6 KJV]
5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,



Yes, to truly believe comes from/by the faith given by God as a gift when one is saved/born again. True belief originates solely with God not man. They cannot be damned because they have been saved and their belief a result of that salvation.

[Jhn 6:29 KJV]
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

[Phl 1:29 KJV]
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

“Yes, there is but one spiritual, not human, seed, and all who are of the promise are of that spiritual seed, including Christ.”

Christ alone is the seed those who take his name upon them tbrough baptism become one with the seed and thus the sons of God are revealed the hiers of creation

 

[Genez]

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you find it here

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Some do not realize that God can not condemn when no choice was involved.

They don't care. They learned to hide behind a skirt called "God's sovereignty" and end up making a mockery of God.

 

[Rufus]

Does the Bible have to spell everything out in simple black and white wording?

The more sound doctrine you want to learn...
The more you have stored in your spirit?
The Holy Spirit will teach your spirit how to correlate in ways that add up, but was not being seen in print.. as some demand before they will believe something that they do not see spelled out for them in Scripture.

If everything was spelled out in Scripture, so all we would have to do, would be to memorize?
And, not think?

The following passage would not be there to be read.

And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more ​

in knowledge and depth of insight... Philippians 1:9​

"Insight.." requires learning lots of knowledge first... and being still while you do.
Coming here, and other forums. to promote distorted doctrine, feels good to those
who have a need to take control over others.

God would not be God, if did not offer mercy to the angels who were beginning to fall,
offering them a chance to repent.

God does not change.

Yeah, the bible does. Jesus said that man lives by every word that proceeds from God, not by every imagination of our minds.