Would Christ Vote?
- Thread starter Publican
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
God offered the Messiah to the Jews. They rejected Him, and suffered their tribulation in 70 AD.
God then offered the Christ to the world. The world is rejecting Him, and will suffer it's tribulation in the near future.
God's word is eternal. One manifestation does not render it moot.
Whose forcing you to eat? Eating is required, not compulsory.
You want a government that represents you? It's required you vote. You don't care who makes your laws? Don't vote, no-one's forcing you. So easy a child can understand it.
And whose doodoos don't stink? How self-righteous can you get!
What's that got to do with voting for leaders to represent you? People ought to be voting for policies, not personalities.
It seems to me you are willing to make any excuse to justify your self-serving position. So be it. Don't come here crying because you don't like the government you get. At least those who voted and lost, made the effort.
You don't like voting? Go live in a country where elections are never held. You'll soon see the privilege we have where we get the opportunity to elect our governments.
Sure He is. But the rest of this s just STUPID!!! Jesus couldn't VOTE, so there's no "Example" to follow.
The U.S. is a Constitutional republic, which constitutionally offers it's citizens a say (however limited) in their government. So why not exercise that privilege???
Don't you think the SWAMP should be challenged???
I'm in Australia, so it is rare we only have two candidates on the ballot paper. Although the two party system dominates politics, we still have our options.
We have a grass roots movement in Australia helping independents campaign across the country and they are getting elected. There's a book called "The Indi Way" that details how it came about.
I can tell you one thing for certain, doing nothing about the issue, will guarantee nothing changes.
does it make you upset that our faith doesn't actually require nor encourage us to participate in worldly politics?
No it would be impossible since He is at the right hand of the Father. Based on what I have read from those on the ships coming to this new world wanted and would make a convent with God. So in this nation we the citizens have been blessed with the right to run for President, over offices and the people can vote for whom ever they want. God put this in motion.
I always just hurt in side and does bring tears.. when I read how He wanted to be their king. So to Samuel He said "“Listen to the voice of the people in regard to all that they say to you, for they have not rejected you, but they have rejected Me from being King over them."
So to say "should we not follow that example" what example? Your question is based on doubt on speculation on hypothetical There is no truth here. So there is no wrong or right answer.
Christ walking this earth and all He said and has done and is still doing.. yes amen we all do follow His example.
what they did say was to obey the laws and authorities, live quietly and simply, and let your good works be a testimony to themselves: love, kindness, charity, temperance, hope, etc.
and they said to obey authorities and rules when those particular worldly authorities and rules over them were wicked, godless and oppressive. so we know that they did not consider it our duty to become involved in gaining worldly power nor to rebel against it when we thought it was evil.
the way they taught us to influence the world was by conducting ourselves well, not to try to impose a whitewash of ethics on an open grave. morality is not legislated. you don't cause a people to have good hearts by forcing them to rigidly obey outward laws: this is what we learned about pharaseeism by reading the NT, and what we call "legalism" in theology.
is outlawing gay marriage among unbelievers going to cause them to become believers?
if we make a law that all people have to profess chriatianity on pain of death does that automatically save their souls?
didn't we try that several times; wasn't it called the inquisitions...?
if we make a law that all people have to profess chriatianity on pain of death does that automatically save their souls?
didn't we try that several times; wasn't it called the inquisitions...?
What does that have to do with anything? Our faith doesn't prohibit Christians being involved in politics either and thank God because we could be assured of a constant supply of ungodly laws if that were the case.
Can't put up a decent defense as to why you think it is a good thing to neglect one's responsibility to one's country so that it can have the best representation it can, so now you have to attack me instead?
I think we are done here.
you're the one who has been attacking my character, not the other way around, and speaking from a point of view of earthly nationalism, while i have been citing the scriptures and the way the apostles conducted themselves.
that's why i asked if you were upset.
The US has a responsibility to pass laws that benefit all Americans, not just certain ones. The only way around this is to change the constitution. Go ahead, nothing is stopping anyone from fighting to do this. That's the American way. If you don't like it because certain groups of people have rights, move to Iran or North Korea; or try starting your own country.
I attacked your ideas not your character.
I have seen no scriptures in your posts to me except for the one that had no bearing on not voting.
You are very correct it won't cause them to be believers but you would probably agree its not good for society? Every society that has gone the way of sodomy has collapsed.
Also certain things MUST be legislated, like stealing, see what happened in Oakland when so much of the crime there was legalized, its horrible. Sure the people won't be anymore saved by these laws, but they are there to protect the people from excess evil. The God appointed rulers are supposed to be judging the wicked, as they 'carry the sword' but that is not so in Oakland and these other hellholes.
I agree with you. We as Christians are suppose to be "salt" and "light" in the world:
Matthew 5:13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
We are suppose to be a godly influence in the world - at the very least let God work through you to be a blessing to the world and so God would be glorified. This would include voting for good candidates or at the very least the ones that would do the least harm.
Don't let the others upset you and just continue to let God work through you in everything you do, including voting or participating in politics - wherever God leads you according to His will so that what you do will bless other people and bring glory to the Lord. Don't lose your saltiness like these discouragers have - remain "salty" and useful to the Lord. If they want to become useless and get thrown out to be trampled underfoot, that's their problem.
God absolutely appointed Hitler to serve God's purpose. He has appointed everyone that has or has held a position of authority. God also appointed all of the kings, as mentioned in the Old Testament, even though most did evil in the eyes of the Lord.
God has orchestrated all events in the past, the events today, and the events to come. There is prophesy that had to be fulfilled, in the past, now, and in the future. God leaves nothing to chance and is complete control of all final outcomes.
The answer is no. The government can pass any laws that they want but will be proved to be ineffective in an attempt to legislate morality. This has been proved time and again in the bible.