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Yet he paid taxes. Let's not add personal conviction to the Lord's name and say we are following Him when we are not.
Would Christ Vote?
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Yet he paid taxes. Let's not add personal conviction to the Lord's name and say we are following Him when we are not.
His parents obeyed the Roman government when the census was called. Do you think they would have taught their son to do the same?
We may not be of the world but we are still in the world and no-one gave us permission to abdicate our responsibility to be good stewards which, in our modern age, calls for the election of the best government we can.
If the candidates are not up to snuff, then maybe, as the body of Christ, the light and salt of this earth, then just maybe, we ought to be looking in the mirror and take a good long, hard look at our own standing to see if we are upholding the Lord's high standards of courage and goodness for evil has real trouble rising when good men stand.
Got to read between the lines.
The only reason why someone would discourage Christians from voting or participating in politics is so that only godless people will rule and pass policies that God wouldn't favor.
So vote! Participate in politics! Bring godly influences into it!
Because when we were convinced to stay out of politics, the godless took prayer out of schools, abortion laws made it easier to have unborn children killed, gay marriages, etc. etc.
Stop letting the godless convince you to stay out of politics. They don't have your or God''s best interests at heart.
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By the way. Let's not talk about what Jesus would have done. That was back then and no one got to vote. Let's look to the future.
When Jesus comes back and kicks the antichrist's loser butt into the lake of fire, we don't have to vote - HE is ruler over the entire world. God also said that we will reign with Him too.
So what better time than right now to be involved in politics (or at the very least to vote) to prepare us for when we reign!
The only reason why someone would discourage Christians from voting or participating in politics is so that only godless people will rule and pass policies that God wouldn't favor.
So vote! Participate in politics! Bring godly influences into it!
Because when we were convinced to stay out of politics, the godless took prayer out of schools, abortion laws made it easier to have unborn children killed, gay marriages, etc. etc.
Stop letting the godless convince you to stay out of politics. They don't have your or God''s best interests at heart.
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By the way. Let's not talk about what Jesus would have done. That was back then and no one got to vote. Let's look to the future.
When Jesus comes back and kicks the antichrist's loser butt into the lake of fire, we don't have to vote - HE is ruler over the entire world. God also said that we will reign with Him too.
So what better time than right now to be involved in politics (or at the very least to vote) to prepare us for when we reign!
Absolutely.
but voting is not required by our government, not even constitutionally for the selection of electors by the states. and certainly neither is alignment with a worldly party.
Yet.
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because choosing whatever it is you have privately decided is the lesser evil is still choosing evil, and it daily for 35 years grieves me sorely to see my brothers and sisters deceived.
friend, your analysis clearly did not exhaust the possibilities.
awful lot of demon possessed people while God Himself walked the earth humbly robed in flesh.
not by might.
not by power.
by His Spirit.
No, the lord Jesus would not vote, he is king, however he certainly would command us to follow the righteous and the loyal kings. In this case Kabbalah Harris is the very opposite of righteous and good, so you have to choose the lesser evil which is Trump, yeah Trump is not the Paladin of christianity, but what choice do you have in this democratic liberal system? Now if both Kabbalah Harris and Trump were demonic then you should not participate in that. However we hope and we pray that Trump will do right or better.
So you want us to do nothing and let the GREATER evil rule?
Yeah, not listening to you.
God wants us to change the world around us and would want us to participate in politics. It's only godless people that don't want us there because then they can't pass their godless policies. Is that what you want?
You talk about things getting done by His Spirit, but oftentimes the Holy Spirit wants to do things THROUGH US, not as some wind blowing through and magically changing things.
He told us to spread the Gospel with Him in us. You don't see the Holy Spirit doing this all by Himself. It is ALWAYS with Him in us.
Same thing in politics and voting.
I expected better from you - than to stoop so low as to try to "get the upper hand" or "pin me down" (in your mind and/or in public view) by making the FE comments when it is totally unrelated to this thread topic. We both know that is nothing but a "personal jab" - a defensive posture/tactic with the purpose to belittle someone else so you can "feel better" about having taken the pressure off of you and put it onto someone else.
I did not accuse you of anything - I was trying to help you see the "noose" you were/are trying to put yourself in - in a "heads-up" kind of way:
"If you continue with this, you will put yourself in the position of being seen as a hypocrite or someone who wishes to put themselves above others."
BTW - you are decidedly wrong about the 80% - anyone who has been paying attention has realized that I have for a long time now been moving away from it. I only get involved when people drag me into it or I decide to try to help someone better understand FE - if I think they might be sincere in wanting to understand it better...
You're leaving out a few details on that
I'm not really sure what we're arguing about. But I'll give you the last word. My apologies.
Please answer the question honestly.
Did you vote for Kamala, Biden, or Obama?
If you say no, I will believe you. If you STAY silent, then that means you did.
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By the way. Let's not talk about what Jesus would have done. That was back then and no one got to vote. Let's look to the future.
Actually it is the opposite. Voting was known and done at that period in history. Democracy and the Republic where known forms of government at that time. While the Jews as subjugated peoples unless they had Roman citizenship such as Paul, would not be able to vote or exercise the rights of citizens.
Ironically enough God actually used voting in our very salvation. Pilot asked who should go free Barabbas or Jesus and Pilot let them decide and vote who should go free. He then even let them vote what should be done with Christ and crucify him was the vote of the people. So voting was known and was a part of the world back then and God in his wisdom before the foundation of the world when the lamb was slain. God had already decided that Christ would die after the people voted as such.
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Escape clause? Seriously, there is nothing in the NT to indicate Jesus was a rebel without a cause or even one with a cause. As has been illustrated, He obeyed the law even though the current law was Roman. You would think that Jesus would certainly not want to obey the conquerors of His own people.
I think this thread is a non-sequitur. There is no argument to be made from scripture to abstain from voting or to admonish those who do choose to vote. I would say prayer and your own conscience between you (anyone) and God is all that is needed. The Bible does say that if your conscience does not condemn you, then you should be good to go (provided you have a grip on scripture and do not go out and sin) while on the other hand, if voting or whatever is a sin in your eyes? Then don't vote. We are not responsible for whatever sins a politician may have committed and we do not have a theocracy in this country. You are free to have your own private theocracy as indeed, we all really should have in our own lives.
I disagree on the voting still, but that's ok. We don't need to agree. You're free to stick to your conviction and I'll stick with mine. We can still get along.
Thank you. I don't know about self control haha. To me it's just natural to do those things. Not doing them feels wrong (for me).
Will do.
Thank you sir, and no, we absolutely do not need to agree. I wish more of our brothers and sisters felt this way.
It's not compulsory in your country which is not the same as saying it is not required. How would you have a government if no-one voted? Voting is required if you want to exercise your right to have a representative government. No vote leads to dictatorship, not representation.
What a stupid thing to say. How long did any of those demons last in the face of Christ?
Christ stood His ground and the demons fled.
James 4:7
Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
Good men stand up against evil, they can't help but do it which, is why they are good men.
compulsory is indeed equivalent to required.
in my country holding a popular vote is not actually required/compulsory by our constitution. it is only required that states select a slate of electors, but how they do so is completely unspecified.