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Cameron143 said:
Do you really believe Trump is the only liar?
Do you really equate enforcing laws against illegal immigration and despising the sojourner?
Do you really believe the left which spent 2 billion dollars on the last election doesn't serve the interests of these wealthy donors?
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  1. of course not lol - - but he is worldwide famous for having zero care or respect for the truth. that is how history will remember him: fine purveyor of "alternative facts"
  2. do you call demonizing them, compassion?
  3. it's been a defining feature of the two parties for decades that one serves the interests of the rich, and the other serves the interests of the poor.
 
posthuman said:
  1. of course not lol - - but he is worldwide famous for having zero care or respect for the truth. that is how history will remember him: fine purveyor of "alternative facts"
  2. do you call demonizing them, compassion?
  3. it's been a defining feature of the two parties for decades that one serves the interests of the rich, and the other serves the interests of the poor.
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2. No. But he's only demonized those who commit hideous crimes. He's not against legal immigration. In fact, he has advocated for legal immigration. Were you aware that over 13,000 known murderers were allowed in this country the last 4 years?
3. It's been a false narrative. Trump actually increased the % of voters that voted for him in every state this past election. Do you imagine this to be all the newly minted millionaires that came into existence during the past 4 years? You don't see the connections between big pharma, Silicone Valley, big tech, and the media to the left?
 
posthuman said:
  1. of course not lol - - but he is worldwide famous for having zero care or respect for the truth. that is how history will remember him: fine purveyor of "alternative facts"
  2. do you call demonizing them, compassion?
  3. it's been a defining feature of the two parties for decades that one serves the interests of the rich, and the other serves the interests of the poor.
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Trump is famous for being honest to a fault compared to typical politicians; the Dems for lying, lawfare and hiding the truth assisted by biased media and judges who won't allow evidence to be presented in court, jury rigging, cooking the books to support Bidenomics, etc. ad nauseum.

It is a miracle that the Dems now represent the rich and MAGA policies benefit the blue-collar working classes.
 
Cameron143 said:
Were you aware that over 13,000 known murderers were allowed in this country the last 4 years?
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case in point, that's absolutely a lie.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz04y0371lvo

about 13,000 people who immigrated to the US over the last 45 years are accused of homicide and not being detained by ICE. they may be in federal or state prisons, they may be dead, they may not even be in the country anymore, and they may be innocent.

but this data was twisted into a lie and fed to you, for you to spread to others, to make you angry, to make you vote.

and that is a very good strategy. it works. people believe lies, people repeat lies, and being angry makes people vote.

he is a very shrewd man - he is very skilled at manipulating people to his advantage.
 
Cameron143 said:
Were you aware that over 13,000 known murderers were allowed in this country the last 4 years?
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were you aware that the crime rate in the US is actually 25% lower this year, and had been steadily decreasing?

or were you told something different?
so you would be afraid and angry, and hence, motivated?
 
posthuman said:
case in point, that's absolutely a lie.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz04y0371lvo

about 13,000 people who immigrated to the US over the last 45 years are accused of homicide and not being detained by ICE. they may be in federal or state prisons, they may be dead, they may not even be in the country anymore, and they may be innocent.

but this data was twisted into a lie and fed to you, for you to spread to others, to make you angry, to make you vote.

and that is a very good strategy. it works. people believe lies, people repeat lies, and being angry makes people vote.

he is a very shrewd man - he is very skilled at manipulating people to his advantage.
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Trump used government figures and he's lying? Is he lying about the more than 300,000 missing unaccompanied minors? Is he lying about children being found with gang members and pedophiles? Is he lying about the fentanyl deaths that are killing more Americans each year than the Vietnam war? Is he lying about gang activities in US cities? Is he lying about the rapes and murders being committed by illegal aliens?
This is acceptable collateral damage to allow and encourage people to break the law to enter the US? Ignoring the suffering of many groups is acceptable to allow illegal immigrants to enter the US? Didn't you just post we are to obey laws? He leads...we obey. God leads a person to disobey laws?
As much as I have grown to enjoy your posts and discussion, I find a double standard in this arena.
 
posthuman said:
were you aware that the crime rate in the US is actually 25% lower this year, and had been steadily decreasing?

or were you told something different?
so you would be afraid and angry, and hence, motivated?
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This is a lie you have swallowed. The updated FBI figures reveal this was based on incomplete data. The FBI had to issue a mea culpa. But anyone paying attention and didn't have a vested interest already knew this.
 
Cameron143 said:
This is a lie you have swallowed. The updated FBI figures reveal this was based on incomplete data. The FBI had to issue a mea culpa. But anyone paying attention and didn't have a vested interest already knew this.
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the facts are that crime has been steadily decreasing since 2020, as much as 25% lower this year in some communities, but the complete reverse, false story was sold to a lot of people. and that the data about 13000 immigrants involved in homicides is going back over 40 years, not 4, and only represents those not held by immigration - it doesn't mean they haven't been deported, jailed, or any other outcome - and that is completely misrepresented by a particular person who, sorry that on this point you have no touch with reality, @GWH, is world famous as an habitual liar, to a far, far greater degree than the usual we are used to from people in the business of politics.

this doesn't have to turn into yet another secular political thread. this is all just to say, human voting puts wicked people into power for all the wrong reasons - which goes for both R and D.
humans are subject to deception and manipulation, and are constantly engaged in manipulating and deceiving each other for worldly gain - but God is not. that is why we find no Biblical precedent for democracy in the Bible being good, instead we have monarchy by the appointment of God.
 
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