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Pilgrimshope

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Matt 25:3-4
They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
amen it’s not that some were given oil and some weren’t it’s that some acted wisely and others didn’t they expected the oil they already had was enough
 

Mem

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I just skimmed through and gathered these thoughts on it. We all have lamps with a oil
 

Cameron143

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I'm interested in your thoughts concerning that particular verse. I have to get off for now, but will check back later. Looking forward to your comments.
I view it much as when Jesus told the woman at the well that He has water that will allow her to never thirst again. Or as I believe Elijah and the widow who gathered all the pots and was given a supply of oil that met her need not only presently but as long as was necessary.

God has an endless supply of everything. The 5 were wise not because they had oil, but because they had a source Who is endless.
 

Mem

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All the maidens are given lamps with a starting measure of oil...
and Hevrews 4:2 tells us, of the Sabbath rest that the Israelites fell short of entering into, "For we also received the good news just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, since they did not share the faith of those who comprehended it."
So, in short, coupled with this parable, it seems to me that the oil is the good news, and the extra measure of oil is belief that must be mixed with it.
 

Wansvic

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amen it’s not that some were given oil and some weren’t it’s that some acted wisely and others didn’t they expected the oil they already had was enough
I believe there is significance in Jesus comment to the foolish. He did say I no longer know you. Jesus told the foolish I don't know you.
 

Pilgrimshope

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I believe there is significance in Jesus comment to the foolish. He did say I no longer know you. Jesus told the foolish I don't know you.
It seems like he didn’t know them because they weren’t ready when he came though there’s nothing to say he knew any of them before he came only those who were ready when he arrived went in and the others were left out

if we look at the next parable of the talents it’s kind of the same exact message showing that the people have a role a duty until he returns and again some are accepted and rewarded but others are cast out who werent ready

“Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

( none already know him they are all going to meet him only the ones ready are taken in the ones not ready when he comes are the foolish who are left out


Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. ( he’s the bridegroom in the parable and we’re the virgins )


For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.”….
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:1, 13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thise are lessons about the kingdom tesching us the truth of the kingdom of God

“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:35-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

were meant to be ready at any time to meet the lord it will happen suddenly when no one is expecting it . Tose oarables are about remaining diligent in Gods things telling us of the coming judgement
 

Wansvic

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It seems like he didn’t know them because they weren’t ready when he came though there’s nothing to say he knew any of them before he came only those who were ready when he arrived went in and the others were left out

if we look at the next parable of the talents it’s kind of the same exact message showing that the people have a role a duty until he returns and again some are accepted and rewarded but others are cast out who werent ready

“Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

( none already know him they are all going to meet him only the ones ready are taken in the ones not ready when he comes are the foolish who are left out


Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. ( he’s the bridegroom in the parable and we’re the virgins )


For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.”….
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:1, 13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thise are lessons about the kingdom tesching us the truth of the kingdom of God

“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:35-37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

were meant to be ready at any time to meet the lord it will happen suddenly when no one is expecting it . Tose oarables are about remaining diligent in Gods things telling us of the coming judgement
Thank you. My point actually pertained to Jesus saying He did not know the 5 foolish virgins. He said the same to those in Matthew 7:23. Evidently they had neglected to do the will of the Father and would not enter the kingdom. (verse 21) Jesus then goes on to speak of the foolish being those who neglect to lay a proper foundation. (Matthew 7:24-27, Luke 6:48) Hebrews 6:1-3 references foundation aspects that point back to the initial message presented at Pentecost. (Acts 2:4-42) Jesus said unless a man is born of water and of Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. This is essential regardless of what else a man does throughout his lifetime.
 

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Matt 25:3-4
They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:

But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. The foolish ones took their lamps
but did not take along any extra oil. But the wise ones took oil in flasks along with
their lamps. When the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.


They all had oil or their lamps would not be lit at all nor would they be going out. At midnight: all the virgins woke
up and trimmed their lamps. The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’


They were foolish, not absolute idiots. They went out with oil and ran out of oil because they had not been wise enough to take extra.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Thank you. My point actually pertained to Jesus saying He did not know the 5 foolish virgins. He said the same to those in Matthew 7:23. Evidently they had neglected to do the will of the Father and would not enter the kingdom. (verse 21) Jesus then goes on to speak of the foolish being those who neglect to lay a proper foundation. (Matthew 7:24-27, Luke 6:48) Hebrews 6:1-3 references foundation aspects that point back to the initial message presented at Pentecost. (Acts 2:4-42) Jesus said unless a man is born of water and of Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. This is essential regardless of what else a man does throughout his lifetime.
Yes brother he often is very Thou tough and repetetive and then especially when we come to the apostles writings after wards which helps us better understand the gospel itself wasn’t disagreeing at all was sort of trying to go from what you were saying like you said here

“Evidently they had neglected to do the will of the Father and would not enter the kingdom.”

“But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; and if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague,….
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭26:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭26:33‬ ‭

“Now is the end come upon thee, and I will send mine anger upon thee, and will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense upon thee all thine abominations. And mine eye shall not spare thee, neither will I have pity: but I will recompense thy ways upon thee, and thine abominations shall be in the midst of thee: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. Thus saith the Lord GOD; An evil, an only evil, behold, is come. An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it is come. Now will I shortly pour out my fury upon thee, and accomplish mine anger upon thee: and I will judge thee according to thy ways, and will recompense thee for all thine abominations. And mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: I will recompense thee according to thy ways and thine abominations that are in the midst of thee; and ye shall know that I am the LORD that smiteth. The sword is without, and the pestilence and the famine within: he that is in the field shall die with the sword; and he that is in the city, famine and pestilence shall devour him.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭7:3-6, 8-9, 15‬ ‭

I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; …..Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:2-3, 6-7‬ ‭KJV‬


“Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He continually said if they would stop rebelling and listen to his word and return to him he would pardon tbier trwnsgressions but they refused again and again even when he sent Jesus to them . They would accept Gods word

“The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:

and the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.

But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭22:2-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Wansvic

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Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. The foolish ones took their lamps
but did not take along any extra oil. But the wise ones took oil in flasks along with
their lamps. When the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.


They all had oil or their lamps would not be lit at all nor would they be going out. At midnight: all the virgins woke
up and trimmed their lamps. The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’


They were foolish, not absolute idiots. They went out with oil and ran out of oil because they had not been wise enough to take extra.
I understand. I was making reference to possible significance in the lack of vessels with oil and Jesus stating He did not know them.