What? is it true God took away sin on that cross or not?

[Pilgrimshope]

That last statement above I underlined is right on the nail.

What does that mean, more exactly? It means we essentially stop listening to The Holy Spirit Teacher. We cut off the bridge to The Holy Spirit directing us away from sin. The default advisor then becomes what? Our flesh wants and desires, and thus leading us to sin.

In Galatians 5, Apostle Paul showed this difference between a walk by The Spirit vs. walking by the flesh. During this present world time, we are subjected to both walks, and can still choose to follow either one, just depending on who and what we listen to, and this is meant for believers, not just the non-believer.

What do we do then when we in Christ discover a future sin we committed?

That is what Apostle John was explaining in the 1 John 1 chapter, for a believer to repent to Christ Jesus when we discover future sin we may commit.

But today, devils have crept into some churches pushing man-made dogma, trying to change what God's Word declares. And this matter that those devils push, that a believer no longer needs to repent to Christ of future sin, will put those believers who are foolish enough to believe them into danger when Jesus does return.

Do Scripture examples of that kind of result exist written in God's Word? Yes, there are examples Jesus warned us about with those brethren whose 'iniquity' is not covered when Jesus returns...

Matt 7:22-23
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?"

23 And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."
KJV

Matthew 25 about the five foolish virgins is yet another example Jesus warned His Church about. Likewise with the 'unprofitable servant' in that same Matt.25 chapter.

“While we should ask forgiveness on a daily basis, it doesn't mean if we haven't, we lose our position in Christ.

It merely means we are not in fellowship with God and lose the blessing and benefits of our relationship with Him.”

You believe that this is right on lol ?

“It “merely “ means we aren’t in fellowship with god and don’t get the benefit of our relationship with him

But also we don’t lose our position in him ? “

this doesn’t seem like a conundrum ? Nothing changed but merely everything changed ?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

From Isaiah 66:1-2

That says it all sister and much more lovely then. I could if only we could understand the value Mary did

“And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.

But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me. And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things: but one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭10:39-42‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‭KJV‬‬

“being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For All flesh is as grass, And all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He knows we aren’t perfect his doctrine is for us imperfect believers that want to follow Jesus even though we aren’t perfect it calls to us and teaches us to repent and live right when it’s time

 

[homwardbound]

We in Christ Jesus are still... required to REPENT OF FUTURE SINS we may slip up and find ourselves committing. The only excuse we in Christ have for NOT doing that FUTURE repentance to Christ is by having a mental health issue where we cannot pray about it to Christ.

As per my previous post of what Jesus Himself showed...

Matt 7:22-23
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?"

23 And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."
KJV


Per the five foolish virgins of Matthew 25, Jesus shows He will close the door on them.

Thus we are required to study ALL... of God's written Word and get the proper perspective on this matter, and not simply believe what men's doctrines claim.

God will not come back in Son to die all over again, for anymore forgiveness. That is done for us to appreciate, not ever take advantage of ever. Yes to those that work iniquity for their self gain. They not born again. They work iniquity, getting people to continue in sin, by trying not to sin, taking their money for self gain evilly, acting as if are good and are not. By getting us to trying to not to sin, gets one, anyone to continue sin, these evil workers of iniquity, continue in sin by getting people put under Law, not upholding Law as good for one to see truth and see truth of Romans 7, especially verse 10
the iniquity, defrauding people, I personally do not glory in> we all are reconciled as forgiven, to glory in God Father’s compassion for us all through Son’s done work on that cross. Trusting this: God did take away all sin for anyone in belief to walk new. Not of the self anymore. Read Phil 3 please, the warnings of our self ego’s, warning please, me hoping Father will reveal this to you and others reading here too. If not, then it is not time yet to see it yet. All praise to God. No matter what others do or not do. Thank you. God did it, it is done for us all to believe God or not
i am talking about God did it, it is done for us to walk new and not of self at all
thanks

 

[Pilgrimshope]

From Isaiah 66:1-2

James 4~ God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.

Oh tbat flower on on the bottom I like a lot

I’ve been sending them to friends on a prayer chain once a week lol tbat one will be a good one for that

getting a pretty great response everyone loves those little beauties !! Then they say oh wow how did you ….Then I cut them off laughing tell them “oh ….no no a sister I met on a chat site she somehow does it I dont know how it wasn’t me lol “

bit the folks in our prayer chain love those a lot and that one’s perfect “ lots of blue hairs in the group who like flowers haha

 

[homwardbound]

From Isaiah 66:1-2

James 4~ God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and He will exalt you.

Absloute truth, so continue and it will be revealed from God to each child personally, as has gotten done through Son for us all on that cross, new life in the risen Christ, death had to happen first in order to be reconciled as forgiven, before any new life could be given. Explained in acts to the Disciples, then Pentecost, where it was God doing the work through them to the crowd there’s then.
amazin grace

 

[Cameron143]

That (underlined above) is a Pop idea some have come with to try and claim those were never believers on Jesus Christ that will say to Him, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name have done many wonderful works?" (Matt.7:22-23)

That Pop idea of course is a false idea.
Non-believers do not have the ability to cast out devils in Christ's name, nor prophesy in Christ's name, nor do many wonderful works in Christ's name. It is so... obvious that those are believers on Jesus Christ, that one in Christ is forced to wonder just who those speaking against it are listening to.

Also, with the ten virgins example Jesus gave in Matthew 25, those five foolish virgins also are 'believers' on Jesus Christ, otherwise they would not... have a lamp with the Oil, nor be waiting on the Bridegroom (Jesus) to come. It is easy to know then, when men's doctrines are trying to tamper with those Scriptures with trying to change their simple meaning.

It's like Apostle Paul warned in 2 Corinthians 11, that he wished to present us as "a chaste virgin" to our True Husband Jesus Christ. Well, just what is the opposite of "a chaste virgin?" The opposite is a 'harlot' who falls away to another instead of waiting on Lord Jesus Christ to come. And that is what some brethren are set for at the end of this world, falling away like Apostle Paul showed in 2 Thess.2.

I would disagree. In John 6:39, Jesus says He has received of the Father and that all that was given Him He lost nothing, but would raise it up on the last day. You seem to be saying that these were given to Christ but He lost them. Further, on what basis do you say only saved people can do these things? There is evidence of all these things being done in the Bible by unsaved people. Pharoah's magicians did miracles. Shoot, even a donkey spoke the words of God. You merely ascribed the power as must be from God. The passage doesn't suggest this.
If the 5 foolish virgins were saved, you have the same problem. Jesus wasn't able to keep all the Father gave Him. Again, it makes Jesus statement false.

 

[Magenta]

Oh tbat flower on on the bottom I like a lot

I’ve been sending them to friends on a prayer chain once a week lol tbat one will be a good one for that

getting a pretty great response everyone loves those little beauties !! Then they say oh wow how did you ….Then I cut them off laughing tell them “oh ….no no a sister I met on a chat site she somehow does it I dont know how it wasn’t me lol “

bit the folks in our prayer chain love those a lot and that one’s perfect “ lots of blue hairs in the group who like flowers haha

Awww that is so sweet thank you for letting me know that you share these with other brothers and sisters in
Christ and that they are appreciated... oh, but you do know how I do it, bro, I just do a lot of cutting and pasting
and blending and erasing LOL in photoshop it is collaging heh and eh, I am not sure which flower you mean?

 

[DavyP]

By getting us to trying to not to sin, gets one, anyone to continue sin, ....

I'm not sure how you meant your above statement.

There is nothing wrong with a servant in Christ teaching us to not... sin, and warning us against sinning.

Apostle Paul especially admonished brethren in Christ to not sin per his Epistles.

Those of Matthew 7 that still work iniquity but claim "Lord, Lord...", and worked miracles in His Name, I strongly believe points to a man-made false doctrine being pushed in some churches today. It's called Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS). It is part of men's Hyper-Grace movement.

That idea wrongly supposes that a believer can never fall away and lose their salvation.

Now if that were true, then Apostle Paul would not have wasted so much time in his Epistles to the Churches warning them against falling away.

And Lord Jesus, and even Paul too, referred to a very strong metaphor first used in The Old Testament about becoming a spiritual harlot found 'with child' (spiritually). Jesus applied that especially to non-believing Jews in Jerusalem at the end when He returns (see Luke 23:27-31). This idea, which originated in Isaiah 54 about the "Blessed are the barren" metaphor, is where Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 also got the expression of wanting to present us to Christ Jesus "as a chaste virgin". It is where Lord Jesus got the metaphor of comparing those in His Church as symbolic 'virgins'.

So the Hyper-Grace movement of course is very... popular, because it promises the believer an 'easy way out' for Christ's Salvation, i.e., just believe and you won't need do anything else, even though it is true that we are only saved by grace, and never by works.

What will happen when Jesus returns to those brethren in Christ at the end of this world that Paul showed will fall away, per 2 Thess.2? They will stand in judgment throughout Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His faithful elect (Rev.20). And like Jesus showed in Matthew 25 about the "unprofitable servant", will be cast to the "outer darkness" with the wicked. In that future time that means being cast outside the gates of the holy city during Christ's future "thousand years" reign (see Rev.22:14-15).

 

[Magenta]

Sometimes I forget I have done a verse already and I do it again LOL

Hebrews 11:6

Hebrews 11:6

 

[tourist]

The 'provision' for forgiveness was made on the Cross, actual forgiveness happens when one repents of all sin. 1 Jn 1:9. Sin is forgiven upon confession.

Absolutely.

 

[DavyP]

I would disagree. In John 6:39, Jesus says He has received of the Father and that all that was given Him He lost nothing, but would raise it up on the last day. You seem to be saying that these were given to Christ but He lost them. Further, on what basis do you say only saved people can do these things? There is evidence of all these things being done in the Bible by unsaved people. Pharoah's magicians did miracles. Shoot, even a donkey spoke the words of God. You merely ascribed the power as must be from God. The passage doesn't suggest this.
If the 5 foolish virgins were saved, you have the same problem. Jesus wasn't able to keep all the Father gave Him. Again, it makes Jesus statement false.

Judas Iscariot was a chosen Apostle.

What you are trying to claim sounds like Calvinism, a belief that only those predestinated are saved. No, God made us each with free will so we each must make our own choice. Not all believers on Jesus Christ represent His very elect that are 'chosen' (recall Matthew 22:14).

So I admonish you to pay attention in what God's Word actually says as written, and beware of soothsaying doctrines of men's traditions.

 

[Cameron143]

Judas Iscariot was a chosen Apostle.

What you are trying to claim sounds like Calvinism, a belief that only those predestinated are saved. No, God made us each with free will so we each must make our own choice. Not all believers on Jesus Christ represent His very elect that are 'chosen' (recall Matthew 22:14).

So I admonish you to pay attention in what God's Word actually says as written, and beware of soothsaying doctrines of men's traditions.

Right, and Jesus said he lost none, save the son of perdition, that scripture might be fulfilled. He's accounted for. How do you account for the others?

 

[Cameron143]

Judas Iscariot was a chosen Apostle.

What you are trying to claim sounds like Calvinism, a belief that only those predestinated are saved. No, God made us each with free will so we each must make our own choice. Not all believers on Jesus Christ represent His very elect that are 'chosen' (recall Matthew 22:14).

So I admonish you to pay attention in what God's Word actually says as written, and beware of soothsaying doctrines of men's traditions.

Thanks for the admonition. I haven't said anything about Calvinism. I've merely shared scripture. Do you see a Calvinist under every rock?

 

[Magenta]

Judas Iscariot was a chosen Apostle.

What you are trying to claim sounds like Calvinism, a belief that only those predestinated are saved. No, God made us each with free will so we each must make our own choice. Not all believers on Jesus Christ represent His very elect that are 'chosen' (recall Matthew 22:14).

So I admonish you to pay attention in what God's Word actually says as written, and beware of soothsaying doctrines of men's traditions.

Free will is actually not taught in the Bible. What is taught is that men are slaves to
sin, lovers of darkness, taken captive to the will of the devil, until Jesus sets them free.

Man's depravity vs God's Grace

 

[wattie]

Brethren in Christ, I know what has those above stirred up about this matter of forgiveness of sins. Some Churches today wrongly preach that all... sins that the believer has committed in the past AND... will commit in the future, are all forgiven. Well, per God's Word that latter underlined part is NOT SO.

When a new believer on Christ Jesus believes on Him and is baptized, all their sins that are PAST are forgiven right then. But we MUST still repent to Jesus of FUTURE sin we may fall into. This is what The Bible teaches, but it's not what man-made doctrines teach.


Per Apostle Paul:

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV


That is why the 1 John 1 subject is about believers on Christ that still need to ask Jesus forgiveness of slip-ups in future sin. And Apostle John shows there to deny that we still sin is to make Jesus a liar.

This is why in The Lord's Prayer that Jesus gave His disciples and us to pray, includes the asking forgiveness of our sins, and even of those who sin against us.

This is also what Communion with Christ is for, to work our problems out with Jesus while remembering what He did for us on His cross.

But some Churches instead are preaching a Hyper-Grace man-made doctrine that tries to teach all sin that a person ever has, or ever will commit, is automatically forgiven. What that does is prevents the believer from 'walking in Christ' by The Spirit. When The Holy Spirit gives us an 'urge' to not do a thing, because it is a sin, the Hyper-Grace movement has believers dancing to the false tune of, "well all my sins I will ever commit have already been forgiven by Lord Jesus, so I have no need to repent any more of anything."

Before salvation is someone dead in sin?

After salvation can someone still sin?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Awww that is so sweet thank you for letting me know that you share these with other brothers and sisters in
Christ and that they are appreciated... oh, but you do know how I do it, bro, I just do a lot of cutting and pasting
and blending and erasing LOL in photoshop it is collaging heh and eh, I am not sure which flower you mean?

I dont understand how you get artwork and scriptures and collages all together in one beautiful panel .

if you are young and with it when something like computer technology happens then everything seems simple

But if your from a holler and don’t ever use a computer till your retired at 69

sending an email , or first rether truly understand the concept of an e mail lol becomes an adventure with many perils and obstacles that could seem complex

i still write letters and send checks haha

 

[homwardbound]

I'm not sure how you meant your above statement.

There is nothing wrong with a servant in Christ teaching us to not... sin, and warning us against sinning.

Apostle Paul especially admonished brethren in Christ to not sin per his Epistles.

Those of Matthew 7 that still work iniquity but claim "Lord, Lord...", and worked miracles in His Name, I strongly believe points to a man-made false doctrine being pushed in some churches today. It's called Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS). It is part of men's Hyper-Grace movement.

That idea wrongly supposes that a believer can never fall away and lose their salvation.

Now if that were true, then Apostle Paul would not have wasted so much time in his Epistles to the Churches warning them against falling away.

And Lord Jesus, and even Paul too, referred to a very strong metaphor first used in The Old Testament about becoming a spiritual harlot found 'with child' (spiritually). Jesus applied that especially to non-believing Jews in Jerusalem at the end when He returns (see Luke 23:27-31). This idea, which originated in Isaiah 54 about the "Blessed are the barren" metaphor, is where Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11 also got the expression of wanting to present us to Christ Jesus "as a chaste virgin". It is where Lord Jesus got the metaphor of comparing those in His Church as symbolic 'virgins'.

So the Hyper-Grace movement of course is very... popular, because it promises the believer an 'easy way out' for Christ's Salvation, i.e., just believe and you won't need do anything else, even though it is true that we are only saved by grace, and never by works.

What will happen when Jesus returns to those brethren in Christ at the end of this world that Paul showed will fall away, per 2 Thess.2? They will stand in judgment throughout Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His faithful elect (Rev.20). And like Jesus showed in Matthew 25 about the "unprofitable servant", will be cast to the "outer darkness" with the wicked. In that future time that means being cast outside the gates of the holy city during Christ's future "thousand years" reign (see Rev.22:14-15).

‘thank you, there are so many misunderstandings. People under Law, trying to do Law, one day will come to the end of their own flesh first born nature, seeing they can’t do it perfect either. Just as the first chosen could not enter< because of unbelief. I see they wanted to enter, tried to enter and couldn’t because of their unbelief. Misunderstandings of the truth of those Ten Commandments.
‘so what does that mean? I believe God and see “I’ cant do it perfect either, yet I” believe God. How about you and anyone else reading our dialogue?
do you need God? I know I need God. So does everyone else also, I want to be perfect, anyone else? Anyone perfect but God himself?
‘oh, wait, I tried, I see I can’t. Yet, I keep trying to do it, then I don't, Romans 7. I am by religion taught I got to try or else, I am not in., what about you? Well, can you do it perfect? Yet, you try and still don’t< correct? Neither can I.
‘you know you don’t and can’t, if, you do not know this yet, you will know this, in not ever giving up on God as your Lord and savior. Me,
seeing I can’t, I told the Lord I can’t. You know what I heard, No one can, but my Son who did it only once for everyone to believe it or not consciously. God sent for you and all others too. either believe God or not.
the cross is finished. Son then and there died willingly once for everyone to be 100 % reconciled, forgiven by God. To give new life in God’s spirit and truth of Son’s done work once for everyon. Hebrews 10:10, John 19:30, Hebrews 9:14-17
you leave first birth as dead Romans 6:12, to be alive with God Father leading inGod's Holy Spirit.
you dead, yet held alive by God, Acts 17:28

 

[Magenta]

I dont understand how you get artwork and scriptures and collages all together in one beautiful panel .

if you are young and with it when something like computer technology happens then everything seems simple

But if your from a holler and don’t ever use a computer till your retired at 69

sending an email , or first rether truly understand the concept of an e mail lol
becomes an adventure with many perils and obstacles that could seem complex

i still write letters and send checks haha

I got my first computer in 2000. My teenage daughter had one before I ever did.

She showed me a lot of the remedial things, like keyboard short cuts for cut and paste.

I still use a lot of those. What would I do without cut and paste?

Because I still use it in my designs, and also on the boards here.

Especially for copying Scripture verses, to lessen the chance of any mistake being made...

There's lots of things I do not understand about how computers work.

And even in Photoshop, where I use "tools" to perform specific tasks, I do not know the logistics
of how all that happens. The programmers wrote code that allows us to do everything we do on
these devices, based on yes and no, on and off, binary code. And now there are even apps with all
this AI becoming more and more widespread and available, where people could probably just tell
some app, create and combine a woman's face on a background with floral elements and add this
Scripture verse and the program could do it all. That really would be much more like waving a magic
wand than what I do LOL. But I have not seen my check book for ages. I pay bills by phone .

I just saw your response now...

 

[Wansvic]

The 'provision' for forgiveness was made on the Cross, actual forgiveness happens when one repents of all sin. 1 Jn 1:9. Sin is forgiven upon confession.

Scripture says, "Repent, AND be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin... (Acts 2:38) Again, "Why wait, arise and be baptized and wash away your sin calling upon the name of the Lord. Both scriptures indicate obedience to God's command to be water baptized in the name of Jesus is when personal sin is dwelt with. If you will recall, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, WHEREBY we must be saved. (Acts 4:12)

The spiritual reality of being placed in Jesus takes place in water baptism. Those who believe and obey God's command are buried with Jesus into His death. The stain of sin is destroyed and left behind upon breaking forth from the spiritual womb of baptism. Paul explained this is Romans 6:

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin. (Romans 6:3-7)

 

[Wansvic]

Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.

Notice how a slight twist of words in a sentence can distort its meaning. The scripture indicates a connection between the name and forgiveness of sin. Peter is speaking, "To him (Jesus) give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." This, Peter's initial statement recorded in Acts 10:43 directly relates to Peter's final command to the believers in Acts 10:47-48.

"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. ..


Note the parallel in Peter's initial command given at Pentecost, "...be baptized in the NAME of Jesus Christ FOR remission of sin..." (Acts 2:38) Those who believe in Jesus are to submit to water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ in order for their sins to be remitted.