Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR
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Make your argument using only Biblical terms from biblical texts. Don't try to smuggle unbiblical terms into the Bible by employing premises that are not biblical to reason your way to a claim that you may substitute your terms defined your way for biblical terms that mean something else in scripture. .
31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 "And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
The sheep nations/peoples:
34 "Then the King will say to those on His right hand,` Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 `for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 `I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.'
37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, `Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink?
38 `When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?
39 `Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
40 "And the King will answer and say to them, `Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'
The goats nations/peoples:
41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, `Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 `for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 `I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
44 "Then they also will answer Him1, saying, `Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?'
45 "Then He will answer them, saying, `Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (Matt. 25:31-46 NKJ)
The analogy is about nations - people - who made choices and did or did not do things pursuant to those choices.
It seems to me the sheep (people) chose to be sheep when they chose to do and did things for Jesus' brethren.
It seems to me the goat (people) chose to be goats when they chose to not do things for Jesus' brethren.
The problem with these analogies of "kinds" is that they neglect to understand that man is a special "kind" who has been created to reason and make choices - both good and bad ones.
And in this analogy they freely chose to do things and brought to pass what they chose to do.
32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 "And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
The sheep nations/peoples:
34 "Then the King will say to those on His right hand,` Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 `for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 `I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.'
37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, `Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink?
38 `When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?
39 `Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
40 "And the King will answer and say to them, `Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'
The goats nations/peoples:
41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, `Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 `for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 `I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
44 "Then they also will answer Him1, saying, `Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?'
45 "Then He will answer them, saying, `Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (Matt. 25:31-46 NKJ)
The analogy is about nations - people - who made choices and did or did not do things pursuant to those choices.
It seems to me the sheep (people) chose to be sheep when they chose to do and did things for Jesus' brethren.
It seems to me the goat (people) chose to be goats when they chose to not do things for Jesus' brethren.
The problem with these analogies of "kinds" is that they neglect to understand that man is a special "kind" who has been created to reason and make choices - both good and bad ones.
And in this analogy they freely chose to do things and brought to pass what they chose to do.
So, you intend to turn back from pursuing this debates course to wherever the facts lead, and you are choosing to stop at this particular look out, and then return home to start tomorrow from the exact starting point that was not able to get you today to the destination of wherever the facts lead.
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I find it interesting that one would think freedom does not have limitations:
13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty (freedom) as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. (Gal. 5:13 NKJ)
9 But beware lest somehow this liberty (authority/freedom of choice) of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak. (1 Cor. 8:9 NKJ)
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I have been around for quite some time, and I would never put them in the same category as reformed. For the most part I would say they would have a works based belief. They would never confess belief in what the Heidelberg Catechism, Westminster Confession, or Canons of Dort proclaim as biblical teaching! Were they to study these works, there would be many areas of conflict.
Perhaps you are confusing them with some Reformed Baptist Church. There are some of those, but they are not SBC.
Perhaps you are confusing them with some Reformed Baptist Church. There are some of those, but they are not SBC.
