The Great Blessing Of Election Unto Salvation

[Mem]

The wording is not conditional, but rather descriptive.ie, if so be that,

ylt....9 I am the door, through me if any one may come in, he shall be saved, and he shall come in, and go out, and find pasture.

Ok. Also, there's the indefinite pronoun "anyone." In Luke 14:26 (YLT), "If anyone doth come unto me, and doth not hate his own father....is not able to be my disciple," If we assume the same descriptive definition, then what is the point of the Jesus' teaching. Is it simply, 'this is an apple, and this is an orange' so that the disciples don't waste their time on oranges?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

That looks to be people who do not want to obey the truth of God.I agree... that would be the path of death, not life.

Yeah I’m just saying if a person reads the whole letter Paul tells us what can go wrong with what he said in your post there . That’s only one of five chapters of a letter he wrote them the whole letter tells them what’s been done for them first and then tells them what’s also expected of them or else the warning he’s telling them will come

your right it’s there to call people who aren’t living upright to repentance so they receive thier inheritance rather than Gods wrath for the disobedient it’s important to acknolwedge what can go wrong because Christian’s aren’t all walking the walk and need to hear about repentance that’s why Paul put it in almost every epistle like chapter 5 there in Ephesians

“For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:5-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or chapter 5 of Galatians

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

my point was just to answer your question of what can go wrong with what he says in chapter 1 and 2 ….. it’s written in chapter 5 as a warning that’s always found in Paul’s writings to the church and really all the scripture we believe

 

[John146]

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Blessed and Happy are those who God in mercy Draws savingly to Himself. We are told by the Apostle Paul we are blessed with all spiritual blessings, what could possibly go wrong with this???

The entire context is the spiritual blessings found in Christ, not salvation. Not one has been chosen for salvation, but those in Christ have been chosen to receive the spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.

 

[Iconoclast]

Ok. Also, there's the indefinite pronoun "anyone." In Luke 14:26 (YLT), "If anyone doth come unto me, and doth not hate his own father....is not able to be my disciple," If we assume the same descriptive definition, then what is the point of the Jesus' teaching. Is it simply, 'this is an apple, and this is an orange' so that the disciples don't waste their time on oranges?

Jesus is describing what happens down the road to those who come to Him. Sinners are urged to go to Jesus while they live.
Every sinner that does come will be saved. A multitude are going to come.

 

[Iconoclast]

The entire context is the spiritual blessings found in Christ, not salvation. Not one has been chosen for salvation, but those in Christ have been chosen to receive the spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.

So, are you saying unsaved people are chosen to receive "spiritual blessings"?
Hint, Those in saving union with Christ= The elected persons.
Unsaved people without the Spirit of God are not In Christ Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Once again: This is speaking of individual election unto salvation
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

 

[Iconoclast]

J.P.Boyce

Election an act of God, and not in any sense the result of the choice of the elect. The inquiry here is not an inquiry into the reason for the election, but simply as to the agent. The simple question now is, Does God choose the elect? We are not concerned at this point whether it is of his own purpose, or because he foresees that they will believe, or for any other reason. The sole question now is, Is the election an act of God? The fact on this point would appear more clearly if we were to exchange the common word choice or chosen with the equivalent word elect. The following passages are sufficient, although the examples are far more numerous.​

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  John 13: 18: "I know whom I have chosen."
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  John 15:16: "Ye did not choose me but I chose you" (not to their offices as apostles but) "that ye should go and bear fruit."
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  Rom. 8:33: "Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's chosen ones?"
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  Rom. 9:15: "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy."
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  Eph. 1:4: "Even as he chose us in him."
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  Eph. 1:11: "Having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his will."
• • 2 Thess. 2:13: "God chose you from the beginning unto salvation."

 

[Iconoclast]

Some attempt to say God does not elect individuals, but thankfully they are mistaken...ibid:

(2) Election and eternal purpose or choice, on God's part. Another important fact to be shown is the eternity of election in opposition to the idea that it was in time. The proof on this point is two fold. There are passages which show that the election took place before existence in this world or before the world began, and there are those which actually declare that it was eternal. Between the two classes of passages there is really, however, very little difference, as from the nature of the case, what took place before time must have been in eternity, and besides, the object of proof of an eternal election is simply to show that it was not dependent on human action, but simply on the will of God alone.

a. Those which show that the election took place before man's existence, or before the world began:

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  Jer. 1:5: "Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee, and before thou camest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee."
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  Matt. 25:34: "Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."
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  Eph: 1:4: "Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world."
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  2 Thess. 2:13: "But we are bound to give thanks to God alway for you, brethren, beloved of the Lord, for that God chose you from the beginning unto Salvation in sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth."
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  Compare also the language used as to the names written in the Lamb's book of life. Rev. 13:8: "And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him (that is the beast), every one whose name has not been written in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain from the foundation of the world."
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  Rev. 17:8: "And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, they whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast how that he was, and is not, and shall come."
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  Referring to the adherents of the Lamb as persons "with him," it is said in verse 14, "They that are with him are called and chosen and faithful."
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  Rev. 21:27: "And there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

b. The passages which distinctly declare that this, which may be thus inferred to have been an eternal election, is really such:

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  Eph. 3:11: "According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord."
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  2 Tirn. 1:9: "Who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal."

 

[Hakawaka]

Your false Calvinistic interpretation!

If calvinism is correct im sleeping in tomorrow!

 

[Hakawaka]

Once again: This is speaking of individual election unto salvation
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Whether it is groups or individuals matters very little, as the main idea of this is: Christ is elect of God, the fulfillment of everything and those who are IN CHRIST are indeed chosen.

He has chosen us IN HIM, IN CHRIST.

 

[Chester]

Jesus is describing what happens down the road to those who come to Him. Sinners are urged to go to Jesus while they live.
Every sinner that does come will be saved. A multitude are going to come.

Why should a sinner worry about coming to Jesus? It won't do him any good anyway! What he does has absolutely nothing to do with his being saved! Those that are elect are saved from the foundation of the world - God and God alone determines eternal destiny, and his choice is sovereign and supreme! Don't worry or fret about your salvation or the salvation of others. The salvation of every individual has already been determined by God, and there is nothing you or I can do about it! Eat, drink, and enjoy life! And when you die, God will send you where He has decided!

 

[Nehemiah6]

I am not sure you can explain the biblical gospel...

I have already explained the biblical Gospel many times, but you have probably ignored my posts.

So rather than "explain" the biblical Gospel, I will give you the authoritative words of the Lord Jesus Christ, to set you (and other Calvinists) straight. And pay close attention to John 3:17, since that ONE verse totally demolishes TULIP:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Everyone agrees, including Strong's and Thayer's that the Greek word for world here --kosmos -- means the whole world of humanity. Which means that Christ (and even John Calvin in his Commentary) is flatly telling you that God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit will draw ALL MEN to themselves.

Strong's Concordance
kosmos: order, the world
Original Word: κόσμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: kosmos
Phonetic Spelling: (kos'-mos)
Definition: order, the world
Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2889: κόσμος
κόσμος, κόσμου, ὁ;
5. the inhabitants of the world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις, 1 Corinthians 4:9 (Winers Grammar, 127 (121)); particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. )): Matthew 13:38; Matthew 18:7; Mark 14:9; John 1:10, 29 ( L in brackets); ; Romans 3:6, 19; 1 Corinthians 1:27f (cf. Winer's Grammar, 189 (178)); ; 2 Corinthians 5:19; James 2:5 (cf. Winer's Grammar, as above)
Apparently Thayer carefully avoided John 3:16,17 since he may have been a Calvinist.
But John Calvin set him straight long before Thayer.

Calvin's Commentary on Bible Hub
v 16. For God so loved the world. Christ opens up the first cause, and, as it were, the source of our salvation, and he does so, that no doubt may remain; for our minds cannot find calm repose, until we arrive at the unmerited love of God. As the whole matter of our salvation must not be sought any where else than in Christ, so we must see whence Christ came to us, and why he was offered to be our Savior. Both points are distinctly stated to us: namely, that faith in Christ brings life to all, and that Christ brought life, because the Heavenly Father loves the human race, and wishes that they should not perish... [TAKE CAREFUL NOTE]

v 17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world. It is a confirmation of the preceding statement; for it was not in vain that God sent his own Son to us. He came not to destroy; and therefore it follows, that it is the peculiar office of the Son of God, that all who believe may obtain salvation by him. There is now no reason why any man should be in a state of hesitation, or of distressing anxiety, as to the manner in which he may escape death, when we believe that it was the purpose of God that Christ should deliver us from it. The word world is again repeated, that no man may think himself wholly excluded, if he only keep the road of faith.

 

[John146]

So, are you saying unsaved people are chosen to receive "spiritual blessings"?

Nope, one must trust Christ first and be found in him.

Ephesians 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Again, not one man has been chosen to be in Christ. That's a false teaching (fatalism) of the RCC Calvin who believed in infant baptism of regeneration and murdered people who disagreed with him.

 

[John146]

Whether it is groups or individuals matters very little, as the main idea of this is: Christ is elect of God, the fulfillment of everything and those who are IN CHRIST are indeed chosen.

He has chosen us IN HIM, IN CHRIST.

Notice it does not say: He has chosen us TO BE in Christ. That's how Calvinist read it.

 

[Iconoclast]

Why should a sinner worry about coming to Jesus? It won't do him any good anyway! What he does has absolutely nothing to do with his being saved! Those that are elect are saved from the foundation of the world - God and God alone determines eternal destiny, and his choice is sovereign and supreme! Don't worry or fret about your salvation or the salvation of others. The salvation of every individual has already been determined by God, and there is nothing you or I can do about it! Eat, drink, and enjoy life! And when you die, God will send you where He has decided!

Wrong my Friend. While it is true God has complete control over salvation, it is also true that He has ordained the means of Grace that He will use to accomplish it. Prayer, preaching, repentance, Faith, Good works, are all part of the means of grace that are employed;
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

 

[Iconoclast]

Notice it does not say: He has chosen us TO BE in Christ. That's how Calvinist read it.

It does not say that, because it was decreed before the world was;
He chose us IN HIM. Not to be in Him
Here 2tim1:
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

 

[Chester]

Why should a sinner worry about coming to Jesus? It won't do him any good anyway! What he does has absolutely nothing to do with his being saved! Those that are elect are saved from the foundation of the world - God and God alone determines eternal destiny, and his choice is sovereign and supreme! Don't worry or fret about your salvation or the salvation of others. The salvation of every individual has already been determined by God, and there is nothing you or I can do about it! Eat, drink, and enjoy life! And when you die, God will send you where He has decided!

My best sarcasm!!

 

[John146]

It does not say that, because it was decreed before the world was;
He chose us IN HIM. Not to be in Him
Here 2tim1:
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

The purpose of God was in Christ before the world began.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The word "according" takes the context of what God has chosen us in him back to what was previous stated: all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ. The blessings were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. Christ is the means to all spiritual blessings in heavenly places.

 

[Iconoclast]

My best sarcasm!!

My best sarcasm!!

Lol good one, I missed it totally I have heard the fatalism card played so often

 

[Iconoclast]

The purpose of God was in Christ before the world began.

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The word "according" takes the context of what God has chosen us in him back to what was previous stated: all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ. The blessings were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. Christ is the means to all spiritual blessings in heavenly places.

My friend...it clearly says...
hath blessed US.
Guilty sinners,
were elected ,
to be In Christ
All spiritual blessings describe our inheritance as adopted sons.

God did not elect a purpose, but a people. For Whom He did Foreknow...that is us, the elected people rom 8:29

 

[Burn1986]

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Blessed and Happy are those who God in mercy Draws savingly to Himself. We are told by the Apostle Paul we are blessed with all spiritual blessings, what could possibly go wrong with this???

Why state this and make a point about predestined or elect? Stating this, with a slant toward elect implies pride and laziness “I’m elect and I’m sitting back enjoying being better than non-elect.”