The Great Blessing Of Election Unto Salvation
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The Apostle Paul was praising and worshipping God when he writes this open praise of God for such a great Mercy.
From other writings we see he was actually humbled by this truth. In Fact He also wrote this; Rom.9
9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
So your comments seem out of step with scripture here. Maybe you can erase them before anyone else notices these strange comments?
From other writings we see he was actually humbled by this truth. In Fact He also wrote this; Rom.9
9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
So your comments seem out of step with scripture here. Maybe you can erase them before anyone else notices these strange comments?
It looks like you have no understanding of the biblical doctrine of Union with Christ.
To make such a foolish comment about a change of wording is a futile effort to avoid the clear teaching of scripture.
Let me help you as you have no idea what is at issue; James Fowler;
The historic co-active union with Christ is often explained by the crucifixion union, resurrection union, and ascension union of the Christian’s being united with Christ in co-crucifixion (cf. Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:5,6; Col. 2:12; 3:1) and identification with the historical acts of Jesus Christ. This is also referred to as the positional union of identification union with Christ. The Christian has been united “in Christ,” so that when He died we died, when He was raised we were raised, and when He ascended we ascended in historic co-active union with Christ
We have such a spiritual union with the Triune God that “our life is hid with Christ in God” (Col. 3:3), and “Christ is our life” (Col. 3:4). “In Him (in union with Him) we have been made complete” (Col. 2:10). “Every spiritual blessing in heavenly places is ours in Christ Jesus (in union with Christ Jesus)” (Eph. 1:3) —“all things belong to you” (I Cor. 2:21,22)— “everything pertaining to life and godliness” (II Pet. 1:3). Our union with Christ is such that “we are seated in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus (in union with Christ Jesus)” (Eph. 2:6)
Paul explains, “If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things have passed away; behold all things have become new” (II Cor. 5:17). The unregenerate “old man” (Eph. 4:22; Col. 3:9), worthy of death by personal accountability for sin, “has been crucified with Christ” (Rom. 6:6)
A New Identity By spiritual regeneration a Christian becomes a “new man” (Eph. 4:24; Col. 3:10) in Christ. Christians are transformed from being “a natural man” (I Cor. 2:14) into being “spiritual men” (I Cor. 3:1). Whereas they once were “children of the devil” (I John 3:10) and “sons of disobedience” (Eph. 2:2; 5:6), they are now “children of God” (John 1:12; Rom. 8:16; I John 3:1,2,10) and “sons of God” (Rom. 8:14,17; II Cor. 6:18; Gal. 3:26; 4:6,7; Heb. 2:10)
To make such a foolish comment about a change of wording is a futile effort to avoid the clear teaching of scripture.
Let me help you as you have no idea what is at issue; James Fowler;
The historic co-active union with Christ is often explained by the crucifixion union, resurrection union, and ascension union of the Christian’s being united with Christ in co-crucifixion (cf. Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:5,6; Col. 2:12; 3:1) and identification with the historical acts of Jesus Christ. This is also referred to as the positional union of identification union with Christ. The Christian has been united “in Christ,” so that when He died we died, when He was raised we were raised, and when He ascended we ascended in historic co-active union with Christ
We have such a spiritual union with the Triune God that “our life is hid with Christ in God” (Col. 3:3), and “Christ is our life” (Col. 3:4). “In Him (in union with Him) we have been made complete” (Col. 2:10). “Every spiritual blessing in heavenly places is ours in Christ Jesus (in union with Christ Jesus)” (Eph. 1:3) —“all things belong to you” (I Cor. 2:21,22)— “everything pertaining to life and godliness” (II Pet. 1:3). Our union with Christ is such that “we are seated in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus (in union with Christ Jesus)” (Eph. 2:6)
Paul explains, “If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things have passed away; behold all things have become new” (II Cor. 5:17). The unregenerate “old man” (Eph. 4:22; Col. 3:9), worthy of death by personal accountability for sin, “has been crucified with Christ” (Rom. 6:6)
A New Identity By spiritual regeneration a Christian becomes a “new man” (Eph. 4:24; Col. 3:10) in Christ. Christians are transformed from being “a natural man” (I Cor. 2:14) into being “spiritual men” (I Cor. 3:1). Whereas they once were “children of the devil” (I John 3:10) and “sons of disobedience” (Eph. 2:2; 5:6), they are now “children of God” (John 1:12; Rom. 8:16; I John 3:1,2,10) and “sons of God” (Rom. 8:14,17; II Cor. 6:18; Gal. 3:26; 4:6,7; Heb. 2:10)
There is no debate at all...There are believers, and unbelievers, sheep and goats, wheat and tares
Election refers to the positive action of God electing a multitude of sinners to be saved IN Christ.
I think you are looking for the word reprobation;
Jer.6:30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them.
From the 1689;
3._____ By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise of his glorious grace; others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice. ( 1 Timothy 5:21; Matthew 25:34; Ephesians 1:5, 6; Romans 9:22, 23; Jude 4 )
Election refers to the positive action of God electing a multitude of sinners to be saved IN Christ.
I think you are looking for the word reprobation;
Jer.6:30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them.
From the 1689;
3._____ By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated, or foreordained to eternal life through Jesus Christ, to the praise of his glorious grace; others being left to act in their sin to their just condemnation, to the praise of his glorious justice. ( 1 Timothy 5:21; Matthew 25:34; Ephesians 1:5, 6; Romans 9:22, 23; Jude 4 )
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You made this thread pointing more toward the term elect than anything else. Yes Paul was speaking with inspiration of the Holy Spirit. You however had to include the word “elect” in your thread title. My question is why is that word so important to you? Why not just say “The great joy of election”? Or “The great joy of Salvation”?
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Ephesians 2:4-7 ~ Because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our trespasses. It is by grace you have been saved! And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages He might display the surpassing riches of His grace, demonstrated by His kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
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The world is the scope of the mission field. What is most important is....THE EVERYONE BELIEVING
15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during,
16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
Notice, it is not everyone ever born, it is not the world of the ungodly, what it is instead are sinners who the Father has given to the Son. All of them come to Jesus, just as the biblical teaching known as Calvinism teaches..
So maybe we have helped you get past your latest excuses that enables you to deny the truth.
We noticed also you failed to explain what is the biblical definition of the gospel.
15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during,
16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
Notice, it is not everyone ever born, it is not the world of the ungodly, what it is instead are sinners who the Father has given to the Son. All of them come to Jesus, just as the biblical teaching known as Calvinism teaches..
So maybe we have helped you get past your latest excuses that enables you to deny the truth.
We noticed also you failed to explain what is the biblical definition of the gospel.
Paul and the other Apostles constantly used the term, elect, and election as they communicated with the churches.
God has elected a nation
God has elected a servant
God has elected individuals
God has an elect Covenant people His Church.
Paul had no problem using this term to describe the objects of God's love; 2tim2:
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Titus 1
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
So Burn, let me ask you, why do you dislike the term elect, or election, and the God who does all this?
Is it possible you have been exposed to weak and false teaching like those that offer anti Calvinistic posts, and present only caricatures of it. Ask any questions you have and we can offer help.
God has elected a nation
God has elected a servant
God has elected individuals
God has an elect Covenant people His Church.
Paul had no problem using this term to describe the objects of God's love; 2tim2:
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
Titus 1
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
So Burn, let me ask you, why do you dislike the term elect, or election, and the God who does all this?
Is it possible you have been exposed to weak and false teaching like those that offer anti Calvinistic posts, and present only caricatures of it. Ask any questions you have and we can offer help.
