Religious Tithing
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And when Abraham tithed, his faith was in whom?
By faith we are of Abraham's lineage.
"Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham."
And further:
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
This is not a natural lineage. It is a spiritual one. So, we can understand the culture of faith ("Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness") by examining the actions of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. Actually, the Book of Hebrews Chapter 11 takes us back to righteous Abel for understanding.
The wisdom of this is lost on the the Western church.
By faith we are of Abraham's lineage.
"Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham."
And further:
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
This is not a natural lineage. It is a spiritual one. So, we can understand the culture of faith ("Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness") by examining the actions of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob. Actually, the Book of Hebrews Chapter 11 takes us back to righteous Abel for understanding.
The wisdom of this is lost on the the Western church.
I’ve seen people who don’t tithe blessed in highly favoured ways. I’ve also seen pastors attribute blessings to tithing but when non-tithers get blessed, the pastors have nothing to say. It’s called confirmation bias. 
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I agree.
Yes, this topic does resonate with me because I have seen firsthand the damage that is done to Christians by leaders who promote “tithing”. I bristle when I hear someone say, “tithes” or “tithes and offerings” in the context of the local church… because at best it is incorrect and at worst it is controlling, neither of which have any place.
Yes, this topic does resonate with me because I have seen firsthand the damage that is done to Christians by leaders who promote “tithing”. I bristle when I hear someone say, “tithes” or “tithes and offerings” in the context of the local church… because at best it is incorrect and at worst it is controlling, neither of which have any place.
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Why would Jesus make references to Abraham, specifically to the Saducees indicating that Abraham Isaac and Jacob were living and in Heaven with God? Also, why would Jesus meet with Abraham and Elijah on the Mount if Transfiguration? Jesus came to Fulfill the law, meaning that He would live His life through Christians fulfilling the law. Not completely discounting the law. You won’t go to Hell for not tithing, but there are benefits to tithing. If a church demands a tithe, then you need to question if you should remain at that church. Tithing is 100% voluntary just like giving. Also, a person should hear God for themselves on where to tithe and/or give. God is not telling us to give to literally every ministry.
He met with Moses, not Abraham.
Scripture doesn’t say that or anything like it.
Such as?
Under the covenant of Law, tithing was not voluntary. Under the covenant of the blood of Jesus, tithing is only mentioned in a historical context, in only one passage, which is not directive.
Well… we agree on something!
Scripture doesn’t say that or anything like it.
Such as?
Under the covenant of Law, tithing was not voluntary. Under the covenant of the blood of Jesus, tithing is only mentioned in a historical context, in only one passage, which is not directive.
Well… we agree on something!
He met with Moses, not Abraham.
Scripture doesn’t say that or anything like it.
Such as?
Under the covenant of Law, tithing was not voluntary. Under the covenant of the blood of Jesus, tithing is only mentioned in a historical context, in only one passage, which is not directive.
Well… we agree on something!
Scripture doesn’t say that or anything like it.
Such as?
Under the covenant of Law, tithing was not voluntary. Under the covenant of the blood of Jesus, tithing is only mentioned in a historical context, in only one passage, which is not directive.
Well… we agree on something!
Jesus Himself said in Matt 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.”
Benefits of tithing Malachi 3:10 “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”
But that’s in the Old Testament which according to you is null and void.
Divorce is also part of the law, so is it okay to get divorced? Why was divorce mentioned in the Bible?
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Yes... and He did fulfill the Law. It is now obsolete, according to Hebrews 8:13.
"For as many as the promises of God are, in Him they are yes" 2 Corinthians 1:20 (NASB). The promised blessing is through Christ, not through obedience to the Law.
Quote me where I wrote that... or apologize for your blatant dishonesty.
Is divorce clearly addressed in the epistles? Yes. Is tithing as a requirement, recommendation or even suggestion? No.
"For as many as the promises of God are, in Him they are yes" 2 Corinthians 1:20 (NASB). The promised blessing is through Christ, not through obedience to the Law.
Quote me where I wrote that... or apologize for your blatant dishonesty.
Is divorce clearly addressed in the epistles? Yes. Is tithing as a requirement, recommendation or even suggestion? No.
Yes… back when I believed as you do but heard ridiculous misrepresentations of Scripture from various pastors and speakers. I did my homework and the Lord revealed the truth to me.
I stand against the misuse of the term ‘tithing’ and the erroneous teaching that tithing is in any way required or recommended of Christians.
I stand against the misuse of the term ‘tithing’ and the erroneous teaching that tithing is in any way required or recommended of Christians.
The church I was in taught (on this subject) a combination of biased testimony, emotional manipulation and distortions of Scripture. They ‘required’ it for membership.
I studied Scripture, prayed, and sought out everything I could find on the subject. Every argument I came across in favour of it incorporated one or more factual errors, hermeneutical errors, or plain fallacies; none was sound. In contrast, the (best) arguments against it were consistent, biblically sound, and free from errors and fallacies. The Lord spoke clearly to me.
I studied Scripture, prayed, and sought out everything I could find on the subject. Every argument I came across in favour of it incorporated one or more factual errors, hermeneutical errors, or plain fallacies; none was sound. In contrast, the (best) arguments against it were consistent, biblically sound, and free from errors and fallacies. The Lord spoke clearly to me.
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I agree with Dino that "tithing" is one of those things that the church has taken out of context. The teaching of it is nowhere in the NT.
That said, My daughter & her husband 'tithe' by setting aside 10% to give to those in need, in or out of the church.
They are blessed, not because not because they're 'tithing', but because they give gladly for the Lord, not because they follow the OT.
God loves a cheerful giver, no matter what name you call the offering.
That said, My daughter & her husband 'tithe' by setting aside 10% to give to those in need, in or out of the church.
They are blessed, not because not because they're 'tithing', but because they give gladly for the Lord, not because they follow the OT.
God loves a cheerful giver, no matter what name you call the offering.
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Nothing of the Old Testament law has been done away with. It is still applicable today for the Christian Church. Who shouldn't be eating pork, or breaking the sabbath.
Matthew 5:18
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Matthew 5:18
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
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There are two parts to the " Law ".
There is the ceremonial and the civil law.
Then there is the moral law.
The ceremonial law was completed by Jesus. That is why we don't offer animal sacrifices, eat kosher food, make fire, cook etc on the sabbath. ( to a strict Jew, using your phone on the sabbath is making fire and forbidden. )
The moral law, the ten Commandments are still inforce as Christians we obey them as a sign of our love for Jesus.
Jesus showed us that we are to worship in spirit not by keeping to places, times, rituals etc.
There is the ceremonial and the civil law.
Then there is the moral law.
The ceremonial law was completed by Jesus. That is why we don't offer animal sacrifices, eat kosher food, make fire, cook etc on the sabbath. ( to a strict Jew, using your phone on the sabbath is making fire and forbidden. )
The moral law, the ten Commandments are still inforce as Christians we obey them as a sign of our love for Jesus.
Jesus showed us that we are to worship in spirit not by keeping to places, times, rituals etc.