Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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I'm not changing anything brother. I am simple putting down what it says. It says they were bought, and they were false teachers.
They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves
Agreed, no one can, but you can leave of your own accord. We are back around the circle to free will again. These were saved, bought, denied the Lord and ended up in hell.
Thank you.
Not at all! You can have a spouse that is faithful as the day is long, but the other unfaithful. They can walk away from the marriage even though the other spouse continues to remain faithful. Our being unfaithful doesn't change that He is always faithful. We can walk away. God doesn't force us to stay in a relationship with Him.
The same way one becomes unmarried.
Galatians 5:4. This verse says, “You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”
2 Peter 2:20-22. It says, “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ‘A dog returns to his own vomit,’ and, ‘a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.’”
1 John “But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.”
Hebrews 3:12. “Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.”
They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves
Agreed, no one can, but you can leave of your own accord. We are back around the circle to free will again. These were saved, bought, denied the Lord and ended up in hell.
Thank you.
Not at all! You can have a spouse that is faithful as the day is long, but the other unfaithful. They can walk away from the marriage even though the other spouse continues to remain faithful. Our being unfaithful doesn't change that He is always faithful. We can walk away. God doesn't force us to stay in a relationship with Him.
The same way one becomes unmarried.
Galatians 5:4. This verse says, “You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”
2 Peter 2:20-22. It says, “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ‘A dog returns to his own vomit,’ and, ‘a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.’”
1 John “But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.”
Hebrews 3:12. “Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.”
I'm not changing anything brother. I am simple putting down what it says. It says they were bought, and they were false teachers.
They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves
Agreed, no one can, but you can leave of your own accord. We are back around the circle to free will again. These were saved, bought, denied the Lord and ended up in hell.
Thank you.
Not at all! You can have a spouse that is faithful as the day is long, but the other unfaithful. They can walk away from the marriage even though the other spouse continues to remain faithful. Our being unfaithful doesn't change that He is always faithful. We can walk away. God doesn't force us to stay in a relationship with Him.
The same way one becomes unmarried.
Galatians 5:4. This verse says, “You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”
2 Peter 2:20-22. It says, “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ‘A dog returns to his own vomit,’ and, ‘a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.’”
1 John “But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.”
Hebrews 3:12. “Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.”
They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves
Agreed, no one can, but you can leave of your own accord. We are back around the circle to free will again. These were saved, bought, denied the Lord and ended up in hell.
Thank you.
Not at all! You can have a spouse that is faithful as the day is long, but the other unfaithful. They can walk away from the marriage even though the other spouse continues to remain faithful. Our being unfaithful doesn't change that He is always faithful. We can walk away. God doesn't force us to stay in a relationship with Him.
The same way one becomes unmarried.
Galatians 5:4. This verse says, “You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”
2 Peter 2:20-22. It says, “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ‘A dog returns to his own vomit,’ and, ‘a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.’”
1 John “But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.”
Hebrews 3:12. “Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.”
Everyone knows what that verse plainly claims. And remember 1 thing:
8 ....... and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Do not budge! I am off to cover the 11 AM service in about 20 minutes and will help when I return.
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Once again, I am not adding to the Scripture. I have put word for word what it says. And you cannot deny what it says.
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Very simple.
I'm not changing anything brother. I am simple putting down what it says. It says they were bought, and they were false teachers.
They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves
Agreed, no one can, but you can leave of your own accord. We are back around the circle to free will again. These were saved, bought, denied the Lord and ended up in hell.
Thank you.
Not at all! You can have a spouse that is faithful as the day is long, but the other unfaithful. They can walk away from the marriage even though the other spouse continues to remain faithful. Our being unfaithful doesn't change that He is always faithful. We can walk away. God doesn't force us to stay in a relationship with Him.
The same way one becomes unmarried.
Galatians 5:4. This verse says, “You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”
2 Peter 2:20-22. It says, “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ‘A dog returns to his own vomit,’ and, ‘a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.’”
1 John “But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.”
Hebrews 3:12. “Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.”
They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves
Agreed, no one can, but you can leave of your own accord. We are back around the circle to free will again. These were saved, bought, denied the Lord and ended up in hell.
Thank you.
Not at all! You can have a spouse that is faithful as the day is long, but the other unfaithful. They can walk away from the marriage even though the other spouse continues to remain faithful. Our being unfaithful doesn't change that He is always faithful. We can walk away. God doesn't force us to stay in a relationship with Him.
The same way one becomes unmarried.
Galatians 5:4. This verse says, “You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.”
James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among James wrote, “Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”
2 Peter 2:20-22. It says, “For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: ‘A dog returns to his own vomit,’ and, ‘a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.’”
1 John “But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.”
Hebrews 3:12. “Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.”
How does one become unborn again?
How does one pluck themselves from the hand of the Father or Son?
How is eternal life eternal if it can exist then not exist?
And I don't mean this to be insulting, but you mention what it says as evidence. But in Joshua it says that God fulfilled the land promises to Israel. That is the plain reading of the verse. Yet you still believe God has not fulfilled those promises. Someone who holds this position should be a little more open to explanations that don't fit a simple reading of scripture.
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1 Timothy 2:4
Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Ezekiel 18:32
For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 4:10
For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. The Savior of all, but especially those who believe.
I didn't write the verses. This isn't what I think. It isn't opinion. And it's not all the verses either.
Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Ezekiel 33:11
Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Ezekiel 18:32
For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.”
1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
1 Timothy 4:10
For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe. The Savior of all, but especially those who believe.
I didn't write the verses. This isn't what I think. It isn't opinion. And it's not all the verses either.
Well it's very simple. Show me the map where Israel received all the land promised. It's just a simple fact of history. God fulfilled the promise but Joshua never took all the land promised. So I believe it's a future happening.
But with this verse it is plain as day. These prophets were saved then they were false prophets, spreading lies.
But with this verse it is plain as day. These prophets were saved then they were false prophets, spreading lies.
I have no interest in peoples labels it’s not biblical what I believe is written on scripture it doesn’t matter if someone labels me lol what difference does that make ?
a instead of studying theology I’ve spent my life studying the bible which i believe to be Gods true word
aid you have an issue with anything I say or believe I’ll show you where it’s written in the Bible , then you can create the label for it if you wish
a and yeah I have no clue what Arminianism or whatever is , I’ve i te tribally acoided for 70 years getting pulled into to the worldly theology argument the “ which denomination is the true one “ debate all that stuff I’ve intentionally avoided like the plague
whatever I say is because I’ve read it in the Bible , now that doesn’t mean what I say is right or that I understand everything I read in the Bible or that anyone else is wrong who disagrees with me lol my point is only that whatever I believe is in the Bible pretty plainly
ive been labeled twenty different denominations and theology names in my time and never bothered to look o to a single label or what it meant but I have studied the gospel and prayed a lot about it studied the law and prophets asked the lord to help me learn I have studied the apostles writings a bit and tried to learn again prayerfully with patience
whatever label you want to out on that isnt really relevant to me anyways , the onot label I accept is a disciple of Jesus Christ . A poor and weak and Imperfect disciple I confess but I don’t know anything about Arminianism or probably the rest of the theological labels you’ve investigated that’s a subject I know zero about
actually there’s one “ denomination “ that I did discuss for a time with because hey would t stop coming to my door lol so I do know a bit about Mormonism and what they believe but of course I’m not a Mormon you would t hear me teaching most of what they think . But only the things that are in the Bible that they believe I have agreement with them on that issue like I do with anyone else no matter the denominational label who believes the e same things in the Bible
a instead of studying theology I’ve spent my life studying the bible which i believe to be Gods true word
aid you have an issue with anything I say or believe I’ll show you where it’s written in the Bible , then you can create the label for it if you wish
a and yeah I have no clue what Arminianism or whatever is , I’ve i te tribally acoided for 70 years getting pulled into to the worldly theology argument the “ which denomination is the true one “ debate all that stuff I’ve intentionally avoided like the plague
whatever I say is because I’ve read it in the Bible , now that doesn’t mean what I say is right or that I understand everything I read in the Bible or that anyone else is wrong who disagrees with me lol my point is only that whatever I believe is in the Bible pretty plainly
ive been labeled twenty different denominations and theology names in my time and never bothered to look o to a single label or what it meant but I have studied the gospel and prayed a lot about it studied the law and prophets asked the lord to help me learn I have studied the apostles writings a bit and tried to learn again prayerfully with patience
whatever label you want to out on that isnt really relevant to me anyways , the onot label I accept is a disciple of Jesus Christ . A poor and weak and Imperfect disciple I confess but I don’t know anything about Arminianism or probably the rest of the theological labels you’ve investigated that’s a subject I know zero about
actually there’s one “ denomination “ that I did discuss for a time with because hey would t stop coming to my door lol so I do know a bit about Mormonism and what they believe but of course I’m not a Mormon you would t hear me teaching most of what they think . But only the things that are in the Bible that they believe I have agreement with them on that issue like I do with anyone else no matter the denominational label who believes the e same things in the Bible
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It's about time ye accept @Charlie_2024 what makes you think he doesn't accept.
And it's not right to say thank God I'm not like that man 😊
Therefore
And it's not right to say thank God I'm not like that man 😊
Therefore
You are wrong. John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this for the hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, to the resurrection of damnation.
Jesus atoned for all and bought all and has been given all and raises all from the dead an judges all.
Jesus atoned for all and bought all and has been given all and raises all from the dead an judges all.