Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.
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Ok, lets continue for context.
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. (False Prophets) They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Who? The false prophets who were bought (with Christs blood).
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous (false prophets who were bought) for punishment on the day of judgment.
It is abundantly clear who is being talked about. The false teachers who were bought, their sacrifice was paid for. If you continue here you can see even more so who is being talked about and what their end was. Elite that went to hell.
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. (False Prophets) They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. Who? The false prophets who were bought (with Christs blood).
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous (false prophets who were bought) for punishment on the day of judgment.
It is abundantly clear who is being talked about. The false teachers who were bought, their sacrifice was paid for. If you continue here you can see even more so who is being talked about and what their end was. Elite that went to hell.
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But it does here brother, I continued the text, hell is where these prophets end up. So in light of Calvinism, how can that be so. Since Calvinism is what we are discussing. Not trying to snap at you. btw Just these verses are quite clear that the false prophets had once been saved, bought, with Christs blood but turned aside. They brought swift destruction upon themselves. The end for them is hell.
you are certainly proving that you have made a god to suit yourself and have committed idolatry because you do not yet recognise that God's goodness is seen not just in His mercy but also in His holy justice which was most greatly magnified in the death of His Son to save His people from their sin and not those He has decreed not to save.
By continually stating that you believe God desires absolutely everyone to be saved, you are saying that He is double minded and does not have the power to save people against their will. Does He desire the Antichrist to be saved as well?
By continually stating that you believe God desires absolutely everyone to be saved, you are saying that He is double minded and does not have the power to save people against their will. Does He desire the Antichrist to be saved as well?
You need to read Romans 9 again. Can not the Potter do whatever He wants to do with His clay?
Continue in that proud tone and you will die in your sin and prove yourself to be reprobate, confirming yourself to never be chosen by God, as well as justly and eternally hated by Him.
The good news is that He is currently correcting you and hopefully it won't take a tragedy in your life to humble you.
Continue in that proud tone and you will die in your sin and prove yourself to be reprobate, confirming yourself to never be chosen by God, as well as justly and eternally hated by Him.
The good news is that He is currently correcting you and hopefully it won't take a tragedy in your life to humble you.
the Gospel is not an offer with its success dependent upon the decisions of men but it is a proclamation that He is the Author and Finisher of the faith of His people and not themselves.
Thank you for confirming how judicially blinded you are to such simple truth. What sin is in your life that has caused God to hide this truth from you?
Thank you for confirming how judicially blinded you are to such simple truth. What sin is in your life that has caused God to hide this truth from you?
God perfectly loves those He saves who are those He has chosen according to the good pleasure of His will to the praise of the glory of His grace (Eph 1:4-6) but those He hates are never humbled to be shown this simple truth.
Joh 13:1 Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour had come that He should depart from this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end.
Joh 13:1 Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour had come that He should depart from this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end.
Christ came so that His people may be risen with Him from their spiritual death and granted a new heart and Spirit so that they can obey His just command to repent and believe and then be justified.
They are called to Him through the Gospel.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
Only those who are born again can see the kingdom of God in order to see it and choose it.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
They are called to Him through the Gospel.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
Only those who are born again can see the kingdom of God in order to see it and choose it.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
If you believe salvation is dependent upon your will and choice of God then you are an Arminian whose faith is not in the grace of God but in themselves and therefore remain cursed as confirmed below.
Jer 17:5 Thus says the LORD: "Cursed is the man who trusts in man And makes flesh his strength, Whose heart departs from the LORD.
I pray the Lord will humble you to see this.
Jer 17:5 Thus says the LORD: "Cursed is the man who trusts in man And makes flesh his strength, Whose heart departs from the LORD.
I pray the Lord will humble you to see this.
those who are free in Christ are slaves of righteousness, therefore everyone is either a slave to sin or righteousness.
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.
Rom 6:18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.
Rom 6:18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
God took their spirits and souls from their bodies. There is no reason to assume they went to hell. Maybe they did. Maybe they didn't.The text does not say.
Nor does the text say they were destroyed. Death for a Christian is not destruction. Jesus said the not to fear those who can kill the body but after that can do nothing. He said we should fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hades. Killing does not seem to be destroying.
Nor does the text say they were destroyed. Death for a Christian is not destruction. Jesus said the not to fear those who can kill the body but after that can do nothing. He said we should fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hades. Killing does not seem to be destroying.
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I think just Christ's title of Saviour should inform us of all that we need to know about salvation and of how it occurs. Nevertheless,
the Bible is full of them. Off the top I think these inform us of that. I just woke up and not thinking too clearly right now so there may be other better ones to demonstrate that. After I have coffee and wake up, I'll try to recall others, but I think the below should suffice for now.
[2Ti 1:9-10 KJV]
9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
[Isa 53:6 KJV]
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
[Heb 1:3 KJV] 3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
[Jhn 6:37 KJV] 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
[Jhn 6:39 KJV] 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[Jhn 10:28 KJV]
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
[Jhn 17:2 KJV]
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
[Rom 6:23 KJV]
23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[Tit 2:14 KJV]
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
[Tit 3:5-6 KJV]
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
the Bible is full of them. Off the top I think these inform us of that. I just woke up and not thinking too clearly right now so there may be other better ones to demonstrate that. After I have coffee and wake up, I'll try to recall others, but I think the below should suffice for now.
[2Ti 1:9-10 KJV]
9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
[Isa 53:6 KJV]
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
[Heb 1:3 KJV] 3 Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
[Jhn 6:37 KJV] 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
[Jhn 6:39 KJV] 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[Jhn 10:28 KJV]
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
[Jhn 17:2 KJV]
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
[Rom 6:23 KJV]
23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[Tit 2:14 KJV]
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
[Tit 3:5-6 KJV]
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;