Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

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jamessb

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Trump couldn't hijack if people weren't already feeling the same way. What he has done is tap into the sentiment of a large number of people who have grown tired of political elites destroying a once great nation.
Yeah, that's the way cults work. People don't evaluate who the cult leader actually is as a person. They get mesmerized by extreme rhetoric which generally paints everyone else but the cult leader as evil. It seems that he has seduced you also, correct?
 

Cameron143

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Yeah, that's the way cults work. People don't evaluate who the cult leader actually is as a person. They get mesmerized by extreme rhetoric which generally paints everyone else but the cult leader as evil. It seems that he has seduced you also, correct?
Cults may work that way, but movements don't. And what we are witnessing is a movement. And it's far greater than Trump. He simply gave voice to what so many were feeling, and was willing to be the point of the spear. This movement is personified in Trump, but it will outlive him. People yearn to be free.
 

jamessb

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Cults may work that way, but movements don't. And what we are witnessing is a movement. And it's far greater than Trump. He simply gave voice to what so many were feeling, and was willing to be the point of the spear. This movement is personified in Trump, but it will outlive him. People yearn to be free.
"He simply gave voice to what so many were feeling, and was willing to be the point of the spear." Cult leaders mesmerize people, playing on their feelings. They willingly suspend rational thought because the cult leader taps into their emotions. That is exactly what Trump is doing!!!

Once Trump is dead the "movement" will be over.
 

Cameron143

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"He simply gave voice to what so many were feeling, and was willing to be the point of the spear." Cult leaders mesmerize people, playing on their feelings. They willingly suspend rational thought because the cult leader taps into their emotions. That is exactly what Trump is doing!!!

Once Trump is dead the "movement" will be over.
I hope you aren't a vegetarian.
 

mailmandan

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Here is some Scripture that is applicable to why I won't share that information with you. I'm sure you're not familiar with. it..

Matthew 7:1-6, "Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure you receive. Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye,’ while there is a beam in your own? You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and turn around and tear you to pieces."
You fail to see your own hypocrisy from the words in scripture that you bolded.

Instead of weaponizing and misaaplying scripture, you should instead revere Christ in your heart as Lord and always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect. (1 Peter 3:15)
 

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Here is some Scripture that is applicable to why I won't share that information with you. I'm sure you're not familiar with. it..

Matthew 7:1-6, "Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure you receive. Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye,’ while there is a beam in your own? You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and turn around and tear you to pieces."
Oooohhh kay we get it.

What you are trying to say is that @mailmandan is a dog and a pig.

Sounds like TDS "murder in thine heart" talk to me. And certainly not the first or only instance of this disturbing trait and state of mind that you are possessed with.
 

iamsoandso

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Cults may work that way, but movements don't. And what we are witnessing is a movement. And it's far greater than Trump. He simply gave voice to what so many were feeling, and was willing to be the point of the spear. This movement is personified in Trump, but it will outlive him. People yearn to be free.

Again I'm not a Biden supporter but you have to admit some of it is just funny. Every time I see someone quoting Trump's statements about the economy like "when I was the president it was the greatest..." it baffles me. I guess he's targeting the generation Z and Mill's(he even says he does) and so they must have been living with their parents back then or something to think it was great. To me I remember 2016 the economy was so so but Obama just left and Trump just took over so he hadn't had time to change anything yet. Then he changed the tariffs and trade agreements with China and the stocks crashed https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/31/investing/dow-stock-market-today/index.html Then in 2019 the pandemic hit and unemployment sky rocketed and there was shortages everywhere because businesses were closed. He has to be the best prosperity preacher there is or must either just be targeting Gen.Z and the Mills. because those four years were not pretty at all,lol. Not that I think it was his fault there was a pandemic but man "the power of possessive thinking" he has as a speaker is obvious in that he can take four years a market crash,two years of pandemic,massive unemployment and a 7.9 trillion dollar debt and by just saying over and over "my economy was the greatest" have all his supporters actually believe it and repeat it,lol.
 

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Musk Defends Former President, Scarborough Deletes, After Leftist Corporate Media Unleashes Trump "Bloodbath Hoax"

It may well be the case that Elon Musk saved freedom of speech and freedom of assembly in America via his purchase of Twitter. To a very significant degree.

Democrats in collaboration with the many "spooky" agencies had a rear naked choke on free speech platforms in America. Journalism and free speech almost tapped out. There is no doubt that the 2020 election heist was aided and abetted by massive censorship, fake news, misinfo and disinfo thru twitter and Facebook etc etc.
 

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"Positive thinking" I didn't catch it in time to fix it in my other post...
 

Cameron143

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Again I'm not a Biden supporter but you have to admit some of it is just funny. Every time I see someone quoting Trump's statements about the economy like "when I was the president it was the greatest..." it baffles me. I guess he's targeting the generation Z and Mill's(he even says he does) and so they must have been living with their parents back then or something to think it was great. To me I remember 2016 the economy was so so but Obama just left and Trump just took over so he hadn't had time to change anything yet. Then he changed the tariffs and trade agreements with China and the stocks crashed https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/31/investing/dow-stock-market-today/index.html Then in 2019 the pandemic hit and unemployment sky rocketed and there was shortages everywhere because businesses were closed. He has to be the best prosperity preacher there is or must either just be targeting Gen.Z and the Mills. because those four years were not pretty at all,lol. Not that I think it was his fault there was a pandemic but man "the power of possessive thinking" he has as a speaker is obvious in that he can take four years a market crash,two years of pandemic,massive unemployment and a 7.9 trillion dollar debt and by just saying over and over "my economy was the greatest" have all his supporters actually believe it and repeat it,lol.
Alot of it is just political speech. Trump has many faults. I find many contradictions in his words and actions. I believe there have been better candidates politically. But there is a reason why Democrats go spastic at the mere mention of his name: fear. Democrats and RINOS are corrupt and have been getting rich "mishandling" tax dollars. If this corruption is exposed, the Democrat party is a thing of the past.
I, for one, want to see those who have enriched themselves to the detriment of so many Americans receive justice.
 

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Alot of it is just political speech. Trump has many faults. I find many contradictions in his words and actions. I believe there have been better candidates politically. But there is a reason why Democrats go spastic at the mere mention of his name: fear. Democrats and RINOS are corrupt and have been getting rich "mishandling" tax dollars. If this corruption is exposed, the Democrat party is a thing of the past.
I, for one, want to see those who have enriched themselves to the detriment of so many Americans receive justice.

They wont though I think,,,I'll point out something Biden said in the SOTU speech that just went over everyone's head(I thought it was funny no one caught it,lol) but he said "since he was POTUS 15 million jobs were added..." (nobody thinks/remembers) but what he said is both the truth and a lie(politicians are snakes) the truth is about 15 million people went on extended unemployment during C-19 and then Biden took office,the C-19 stimulus packages expired and 15 million people went back to work.
 

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They wont though I think,,,I'll point out something Biden said in the SOTU speech that just went over everyone's head(I thought it was funny no one caught it,lol) but he said "since he was POTUS 15 million jobs were added..." (nobody thinks/remembers) but what he said is both the truth and a lie(politicians are snakes) the truth is about 15 million people went on extended unemployment during C-19 and then Biden took office,the C-19 stimulus packages expired and 15 million people went back to work.
i have told folks this many times over.

all the " jobs created " is a smokescreen....
 

iamsoandso

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i have told folks this many times over.

all the " jobs created " is a smokescreen....

Yep is it "created" or "added"?.. I take it that "created" is meaning that they did something to create jobs where there were none before. Biden I noticed used the word "added" as in "added back to the workforce" And so all of the people whose jobs were lost because they were laid off during the Covid shutdowns(all non essential workers,,bars,hairdressers ect. and those who had to stay at home because schools and daycare's closed ect. to watch their children) were then "added back to the workforce" when they went back to work. So Biden did the old "it sounds great as long as I say it real fast"...
 

gb9

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Yep is it "created" or "added"?.. I take it that "created" is meaning that they did something to create jobs where there were none before. Biden I noticed used the word "added" as in "added back to the workforce" And so all of the people whose jobs were lost because they were laid off during the Covid shutdowns(all non essential workers,,bars,hairdressers ect. and those who had to stay at home because schools and daycare's closed ect. to watch their children) were then "added back to the workforce" when they went back to work. So Biden did the old "it sounds great as long as I say it real fast"...
my bad, i thought he said " created".

but, the outcome is the same- being deceptive about what actually happened...
 

iamsoandso

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my bad, i thought he said " created".

but, the outcome is the same- being deceptive about what actually happened...

The trick I think is that Media(SM and MSM),politicians ect. choose wording that leaves things open ended enough that the "reader" can fill in the rest. So they say a certain thing that's close enough to the truth that they don't get into trouble but not the rest so our imaginations run wild and we debate it on SM and end up on one side or the other.
 

gb9

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The trick I think is that Media(SM and MSM),politicians ect. choose wording that leaves things open ended enough that the "reader" can fill in the rest. So they say a certain thing that's close enough to the truth that they don't get into trouble but not the rest so our imaginations run wild and we debate it on SM and end up on one side or the other.
it's called divide and conquer.