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So the question arises is what the Spirit coming upon someone entails. A second question would be was the transformation spiritual in nature or merely fit to be a king.
I believe it to be a natural transformation. If you remember, when Samuel was introducing Saul as king he was hiding in fear.
So the question arises is what the Spirit coming upon someone entails. A second question would be was the transformation spiritual in nature or merely fit to be a king.
I believe it to be a natural transformation. If you remember, when Samuel was introducing Saul as king he was hiding in fear.
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So God saved someone from whom he removed his love/mercy/lovingkindess (2Sam 7:15)? Furthermore, Saul lived virtually his entire life in sin hating David and always breathing murderous threats upon him. He was consumed with murdering David. At the very best, I'd say Saul's spiritual condition is highly questionable. As far as I'm concerned Saul was in the same camp with God as Judas was with Christ! Both eminently qualify as those spoken of in this passage:
Heb 6:4-6
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
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Heb 6:4-6
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
NIV
But even the Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation (Rom 1:16; Jas 1:18), is it not? To be born again means precisely to be born of the Spirit and the Word. None of us can boast of our faith (Eph 2:9), as though someone revealed Christ to us or we figured it out all by ourselves (Mat 16:17).
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Certainly, the Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation (Romans 1:16). The Greek word for "power" in this verse is δύναμις (dunamis), which refers to inherent power or ability. The Gospel of Christ is not just a message, but it is the power of God that brings salvation to those who believe.
Furthermore, James 1:18 states that God brought us forth by the word of truth, which is the Gospel. The Greek word for "brought us forth" is ἀπεκύησεν (apekýēsen), which means to give birth to or bring forth. This verse emphasizes that the Gospel is the means by which God brings people into a new life in Christ.
To be born again means to be born of the Spirit and the Word, as Jesus explained to Nicodemus in John 3:5-6. The Greek word for "born again" is ἀναγεννηθῆναι (anagennēthēnai), which means to be born anew or from above. This new birth is not a physical one, but a spiritual one that comes through faith in Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:9 reminds us that our salvation is not of ourselves, but it is a gift from God. The Greek word for "gift" is δώρον (dōron), which refers to a free gift or present. We cannot boast of our faith because it is not something we earned or achieved on our own, but it is a gift from God.
Finally, Matthew 16:17 shows that it is God who reveals Christ to us. The Greek word for "revealed" is ἀπεκάλυψεν (apekalupsen), which means to uncover or reveal. Peter's confession of Jesus as the Christ was not something he figured out on his own, but it was revealed to him by the Father.
In summary, the Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation, and it is through the Word of truth that God brings people into a new life in Christ. To be born again means to be born of the Spirit and the Word, and our salvation is a gift from God that we cannot boast of. It is God who reveals Christ to us, and we respond in faith to His revelation.
Not to sound so "sophomoric"-
According to 1 Corinthians 2:14, the natural man, or the unregenerate individual, cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God because they appear foolish and illogical to him. These things are spiritually discerned, meaning they require the presence and guidance of the Holy Spirit to be properly interpreted and understood. Here are the key terms and phrases from the Greek text:
φύσεως, phuseōs: natural, belonging to the flesh, earthly
τὰ πneumατικά, ta pneumaika: spiritual things
ἀνοήτους, anoētos: foolish
ἐξέρχονται, exerchonta: appear
ἄνθρωπον, anthropon: man
ψυχικὸν, psychikon: animal, earthly
διακρίνειν, diakrinin: discern
These concepts are further elaborated upon in Romans 8:5-10, which contrasts the natural man with the spiritual man. The natural man is described as being hostile toward God and unable to please Him, whereas the spiritual man is described as being in harmony with God and capable of pleasing Him.
In conclusion, the natural man cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God because they are spiritually discerned and appear foolish to him. Only those who possess the Holy Spirit can truly understand and appreciate the things of the Spirit.
Johann.
Certainly, the Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation (Romans 1:16). The Greek word for "power" in this verse is δύναμις (dunamis), which refers to inherent power or ability. The Gospel of Christ is not just a message, but it is the power of God that brings salvation to those who believe.
Furthermore, James 1:18 states that God brought us forth by the word of truth, which is the Gospel. The Greek word for "brought us forth" is ἀπεκύησεν (apekýēsen), which means to give birth to or bring forth. This verse emphasizes that the Gospel is the means by which God brings people into a new life in Christ.
To be born again means to be born of the Spirit and the Word, as Jesus explained to Nicodemus in John 3:5-6. The Greek word for "born again" is ἀναγεννηθῆναι (anagennēthēnai), which means to be born anew or from above. This new birth is not a physical one, but a spiritual one that comes through faith in Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:9 reminds us that our salvation is not of ourselves, but it is a gift from God. The Greek word for "gift" is δώρον (dōron), which refers to a free gift or present. We cannot boast of our faith because it is not something we earned or achieved on our own, but it is a gift from God.
Finally, Matthew 16:17 shows that it is God who reveals Christ to us. The Greek word for "revealed" is ἀπεκάλυψεν (apekalupsen), which means to uncover or reveal. Peter's confession of Jesus as the Christ was not something he figured out on his own, but it was revealed to him by the Father.
In summary, the Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation, and it is through the Word of truth that God brings people into a new life in Christ. To be born again means to be born of the Spirit and the Word, and our salvation is a gift from God that we cannot boast of. It is God who reveals Christ to us, and we respond in faith to His revelation.
Not to sound so "sophomoric"-
According to 1 Corinthians 2:14, the natural man, or the unregenerate individual, cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God because they appear foolish and illogical to him. These things are spiritually discerned, meaning they require the presence and guidance of the Holy Spirit to be properly interpreted and understood. Here are the key terms and phrases from the Greek text:
φύσεως, phuseōs: natural, belonging to the flesh, earthly
τὰ πneumατικά, ta pneumaika: spiritual things
ἀνοήτους, anoētos: foolish
ἐξέρχονται, exerchonta: appear
ἄνθρωπον, anthropon: man
ψυχικὸν, psychikon: animal, earthly
διακρίνειν, diakrinin: discern
These concepts are further elaborated upon in Romans 8:5-10, which contrasts the natural man with the spiritual man. The natural man is described as being hostile toward God and unable to please Him, whereas the spiritual man is described as being in harmony with God and capable of pleasing Him.
In conclusion, the natural man cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God because they are spiritually discerned and appear foolish to him. Only those who possess the Holy Spirit can truly understand and appreciate the things of the Spirit.
Johann.
Does God have freewill? Because ours is limited, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
You are very creative. To some extent we all are. But we are all limited in our creativity. It makes us less creative, but we are still creative.
I'll grant you that this isn't the focus of the verse. But I certainly believe its included in the verse.
You are very creative. To some extent we all are. But we are all limited in our creativity. It makes us less creative, but we are still creative.
I'll grant you that this isn't the focus of the verse. But I certainly believe its included in the verse.
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We do not need a definition of freewill to know that being made in God's image does not impart
all His qualities to us, and since Scripture does not speak of free will (which is how people usually
term it, not freewill), and freewill is only used maybe four times in Scripture, in regard to offerings,
going beyond what is said, especially in this case, is a huge mistake. Think about it.
How true are any of these statements, given as examples to show the error:
The fact that God made us in His image infers our sinlessness.
The fact that God made us in His image infers our sovereignty.
The fact that God made us in His image infers our eternality.
The fact that God made us in His image infers our omniscience.
The fact that God made us in His image infers our omnipotence.
Shall I go on?
all His qualities to us, and since Scripture does not speak of free will (which is how people usually
term it, not freewill), and freewill is only used maybe four times in Scripture, in regard to offerings,
going beyond what is said, especially in this case, is a huge mistake. Think about it.
How true are any of these statements, given as examples to show the error:
The fact that God made us in His image infers our sinlessness.
The fact that God made us in His image infers our sovereignty.
The fact that God made us in His image infers our eternality.
The fact that God made us in His image infers our omniscience.
The fact that God made us in His image infers our omnipotence.
Shall I go on?
Pure conjecture! In fact, your response supports the argument that water baptism for believers is not necessary in this life before their death.
Okay just for you, I'll broaden my horizons, although I doubt this will make you happy either: Why are so hostile, belligerent and antagonistic to believers who don't subscribe to your personal beliefs? One of the marks of genuine Christian is love toward the brethren. But I see no love or charity in your posts.
Okay just for you, I'll broaden my horizons, although I doubt this will make you happy either: Why are so hostile, belligerent and antagonistic to believers who don't subscribe to your personal beliefs? One of the marks of genuine Christian is love toward the brethren. But I see no love or charity in your posts.