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“So you agree Luke 21:8-36 has not been fulfilled yet”
parts of it haven’t like21 should be considered along side mark 13 and Matthew 24 itnis theee witnesses of that particular sermon Jesus told his disciples about after he left what would happen to them in that generation
If you do look at all three witneses you can see Jesus is talking about an immediate future for Jerusalem and then also a long range future regarding the end of the world and his return
“And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, ( 1 question )when shall these things be? ( Jerusalems destruction )
and ( 2 ) what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world?”
Matthew 24:2-3 KJV
remember Matthew was actually present during this sermon Luke’s account t is based on eye witnesses and the concensus as well as his own early conversion to Christianity
But Matthew 24 Luke 21 and mark 13 should be studied together carefully because he’s laying out the immediate future of Jerusalem regarding daniels prophecy of its desolation and then the end of the world and his return it’s hard to seperate it out if We only read one account
You can see Jesus is speaking of two times the near and also distant
parts of it haven’t like21 should be considered along side mark 13 and Matthew 24 itnis theee witnesses of that particular sermon Jesus told his disciples about after he left what would happen to them in that generation
If you do look at all three witneses you can see Jesus is talking about an immediate future for Jerusalem and then also a long range future regarding the end of the world and his return
“And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, ( 1 question )when shall these things be? ( Jerusalems destruction )
and ( 2 ) what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world?”
Matthew 24:2-3 KJV
remember Matthew was actually present during this sermon Luke’s account t is based on eye witnesses and the concensus as well as his own early conversion to Christianity
But Matthew 24 Luke 21 and mark 13 should be studied together carefully because he’s laying out the immediate future of Jerusalem regarding daniels prophecy of its desolation and then the end of the world and his return it’s hard to seperate it out if We only read one account
You can see Jesus is speaking of two times the near and also distant
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But we are talking about all things which are written being fulfilled.
First you say all things which are written in Luke 21:22 were fulfilled in 70 ad then you say they are not.
Make up your mind .Are all things written in Luke 21 fulfilled or not?
Luke 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
But we are talking about all things which are written being fulfilled.
Yes…… when Jesus said that the old testement was all that had been written 🙂 context is important the New Testament hadn’t been written or even preached thoroughly yet whenjesus said that did you notice when he first said “ only preach the gospel to osrael
Not to gentiles ?
Then after they rejected him he said preach the gospel to all people baotize then all ?
the Old Testament is written through and to exclusively isreel and Jerusalem is important and a main theme of prophecy because of the temple and thier inheritance
Thier covenant was waiting for this
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Isaiah 7:14
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”
Isaiah 9:6-8 KJV
they heard about the arrival of Jesus for hundreds of years beforehand we have heard about the return of Jesus for hundreds of years now
There are two testaments one focuses on israel the other on the earth
aim 70 ad Jerusalem was utterly destroyed burned and broken the temple stripped and leveled for its gold in the end the world is going to suffer this same fate
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
2 Peter 3:10 KJV
Jerusalems fate is a warning to the world to repent before it’s too late
Yes…… when Jesus said that the old testement was all that had been written 🙂 context is important the New Testament hadn’t been written or even preached thoroughly yet whenjesus said that did you notice when he first said “ only preach the gospel to osrael
Not to gentiles ?
Then after they rejected him he said preach the gospel to all people baotize then all ?
the Old Testament is written through and to exclusively isreel and Jerusalem is important and a main theme of prophecy because of the temple and thier inheritance
Thier covenant was waiting for this
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Isaiah 7:14
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”
Isaiah 9:6-8 KJV
they heard about the arrival of Jesus for hundreds of years beforehand we have heard about the return of Jesus for hundreds of years now
There are two testaments one focuses on israel the other on the earth
aim 70 ad Jerusalem was utterly destroyed burned and broken the temple stripped and leveled for its gold in the end the world is going to suffer this same fate
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
2 Peter 3:10 KJV
Jerusalems fate is a warning to the world to repent before it’s too late
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Do you think the two witnesses are evil? No, Shilohsfoal; the only reason these two witnesses are here on earth is to bear witness for God. The "sackcloth" suggests that their sole mission will be to remind people of their sins.
Also take note of the fact that the two witnesses' times are expressed in days. These witnesses bear the message of God, and they are children of light. The 1,260 days of the two witnesses and the forty-two months of Antichrist described in Daniel 9 are identical.
Let’s read about God’s two witnesses:
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
- Revelation 11:3-13 (KJV)
—selah
Also take note of the fact that the two witnesses' times are expressed in days. These witnesses bear the message of God, and they are children of light. The 1,260 days of the two witnesses and the forty-two months of Antichrist described in Daniel 9 are identical.
Let’s read about God’s two witnesses:
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
- Revelation 11:3-13 (KJV)
—selah
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I am not a Preterist.
Jesus did not return in the first century. In fact, Jesus will not return until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
As you quoted earlier, I also believe the following is true.
Luke 21:25
There will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting from fear and the expectation of the things that are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Jesus did not return in the first century. In fact, Jesus will not return until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
As you quoted earlier, I also believe the following is true.
Luke 21:25
There will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting from fear and the expectation of the things that are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
So you are claiming that everything in the Old testament was fulfilled in 70 ad.You believe the stars of heaven have already fallen to the earth and the heavens have been rolled up like a scroll?
After all,it's in the old testament.
Isaiah 34:4
All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.
Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Revelation 6
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
After all,it's in the old testament.
Isaiah 34:4
All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.
Mathew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Revelation 6
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
So you believe it's good for christians like the two witnesses to kill and torment other people.
You believe they are obeying Jesus commands to turn the other cheek and pray for their enemies by tormenting and killing people?
Do you teach other people that it is a christians responsibility to torment men women and children for Jesus?
You believe they are obeying Jesus commands to turn the other cheek and pray for their enemies by tormenting and killing people?
Do you teach other people that it is a christians responsibility to torment men women and children for Jesus?
There's no need for another building to be built where the dome of the rock(temple)is.
The abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem to destroy it.
This act by the armed forces of the north is Israels policy called the Samson option.
The Samson Option (Hebrew: ברירת שמשון, b'rerat shimshon) is Israel's deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel
This is when Jerusalem ,as well as the cities of the nations all fall.Uou see,the king of the north is Israeli governments ally ,not it's enemy.Aftervisraels enemies have overcome Israels defences,the armed forces of the north destroy them all.It takes place 3.5 days after Jerusalem has been taken by the Muslim enemies of Israel.Hence the evidence of the earthquakes and the cloud rising into heaven from Jerusalem.
Revelation 16:19
The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.
The abomination of desolation is placed in Jerusalem to destroy it.
This act by the armed forces of the north is Israels policy called the Samson option.
The Samson Option (Hebrew: ברירת שמשון, b'rerat shimshon) is Israel's deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel
This is when Jerusalem ,as well as the cities of the nations all fall.Uou see,the king of the north is Israeli governments ally ,not it's enemy.Aftervisraels enemies have overcome Israels defences,the armed forces of the north destroy them all.It takes place 3.5 days after Jerusalem has been taken by the Muslim enemies of Israel.Hence the evidence of the earthquakes and the cloud rising into heaven from Jerusalem.
Revelation 16:19
The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath.