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[Shilohsfoal]

The two witness are the Word of God- the Old and New Testament. I'll provide scripture study a little later as I am short for time.

No,the two witnesses are only men who can be killed and their dead corpses litter the street.

I have scripture for that without jumping all over the bible.Its all.in the context.

Revelation 11

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.




Don't worship them and make them more than they are.

 

[Cameron143]

So you believe it's good for christians like the two witnesses to kill and torment other people.
You believe they are obeying Jesus commands to turn the other cheek and pray for their enemies by tormenting and killing people?


Do you teach other people that it is a christians responsibility to torment men women and children for Jesus?

The 2 witnesses are Moses and Elijah. Well, not actually them, but what they represent...the law and the prophets.

The Jews thought that the law and the prophets supported what they had done Jesus. Now, they testifies against them. It's symbolic language. In John 5:39-41, Jesus tells them that they search the scripture seeking eternal life, but the scriptures testify of Him. Since they will not come to Him, the law and the prophets are, in a sense dead to them. The only purpose the law and the prophets can fulfill at this point is to condemn them.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The 2 witnesses are Moses and Elijah. Well, not actually them, but what they represent...the law and the prophets.

The Jews thought that the law and the prophets supported what they had done Jesus. Now, they testifies against them. It's symbolic language. In John 5:39-41, Jesus tells them that they search the scripture seeking eternal life, but the scriptures testify of Him. Since they will not come to Him, the law and the prophets are, in a sense dead to them. The only purpose the law and the prophets can fulfill at this point is to condemn them.

These two witnesses find themselves on the wrong side of the law because they break their Lords commandments.


Mathew 22

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.





The two witnesses are the worst neighbors imaginable.Its no wonder they are removed from the earth when Christ kingdom is come.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

If you are following the blind Jewish perspective then your not going to be understanding very much.

If the word of God says that Gog,Ethiopia and Lybia will come against the people of Israel after the resurrection of Israel then it is sure to take place .It doesn't matter what the Jews believe.

here you go sir here is your Jewish perspective

As you can see he leans on his own understanding too, and also hopefully you will see he's not sure

 

[Nehemiah6]

Keep in mind, the earthquakes, pestilences and fearful sights in the heavens come from kingdom rising against kingdom.

Not really. They are all phenomena independent of each other. And there is no need for any nuclear explosion. Divine judgments are just that -- sent from God. The first five seal events began in the first century and have continued. Some with greater intensity than others.

But fearful sights in the heavens belong to the 6th seal. Those events are yet future and will occur JUST BEFORE THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. Please note: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Mt 24:29,30)

 

[Shilohsfoal]

here you go sir here is your Jewish perspective

As you can see he leans on his own understanding too, and also hopefully you will see he's not sure

Unlike yourself ,I'm not instructed by video jockeys.I wouldn't even give him the time of day.I trust the annointing I have received of God,it leads me into a greater understanding than your video jockeys .

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

I have relied upon the holy spirit of God since I received the spirit Aug 31,1998.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Unlike yourself ,I'm not instructed by video jockeys.I wouldn't even give him the time of day.I trust the annointing I have received of God,it leads me into a greater understanding than your video jockeys .

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

I have relied upon the holy spirit of God since I received the spirit Aug 31,1998.

well since your not willing to learn I'll leave you to lean on your own understanding too.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Not really. They are all phenomena independent of each other. And there is no need for any nuclear explosion. Divine judgments are just that -- sent from God. The first five seal events began in the first century and have continued. Some with greater intensity than others.

But fearful sights in the heavens belong to the 6th seal. Those events are yet future and will occur JUST BEFORE THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST. Please note: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Mt 24:29,30)

According to the word of God these events take place when nation rises against nation and kingdom against kingdom.Not before.
It's best to stay in context of scripture and not pull one verse out of context

Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Mathew 24
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Mark 13
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.


The earthquakes,famines,pestilences,and troubles are not separated from nation rising against nation .The war is the root cause of the fearful sights and great signs in the heavens.On all accounts they are tied together by the word of God.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

well since your not willing to learn I'll leave you to lean on your own understanding too.

Oh ,I'm willing to learn from.the holy spirit at anytime it would reveal anything to me.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

As it is written,I need not that any man teach me.The annointing in have received teaches me.Has been since the day I received it.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

Oh ,I'm willing to learn from.the holy spirit at anytime it would reveal anything to me.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

As it is written,I need not that any man teach me.The annointing in have received teaches me.Has been since the day I received it.

this Jewish messianic Jew is also in favour of this scripture you've posted but yet your not prepared to watch him,

 

[Nehemiah6]

According to the word of God these events take place when nation rises against nation and kingdom against kingdom. Not before.

That is merely your assumption. Does the Bible say "Because nation rises against nation therefore there will be .........?"

 

[Shilohsfoal]

this Jewish messianic Jew is also in favour of this scripture you've posted but yet your not prepared to watch him,

I don't need to be taught by the man .I understand the scripture I post.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

That is merely your assumption. Does the Bible say "Because nation rises against nation therefore there will be .........?"

This is not an assumption.This is a detailed set of events being taught by Jesus in the Olivet discourse.





Luke 21
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Mathew 24
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Mark 13
8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.


The earthquakes,famines,pestilences,and troubles are not separated from nation rising against nation .The war is the root cause of the fearful sights and great signs in the heavens.On all accounts they are tied together by the word of God.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

I don't need to be taught by the man .I understand the scripture I post.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

sir your pride is obvious,

I'll leave you to lean on your own understanding

 

[Shilohsfoal]

sir your pride is obvious,

I'll leave you to lean on your own understanding

Bring taught by the spirit of God is not pride.Its called being blessed.

You have a warped sense of understanding.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him


There is no greater teacher.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So you are claiming that everything in the Old testament was fulfilled in 70 ad.You believe the stars of heaven have already fallen to the earth and the heavens have been rolled up like a scroll?

After all,it's in the old testament.


Isaiah 34:4
All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.


Mathew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Revelation 6
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

…..I’m saying there is prophecy that belongs to the Old Testament and concerns israel and there is prophecy in the New Testament concerning the world

Listen to what I’m actually saying instead of telling me my position

“The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that is written in the Old Testament it is not an Old Testament prophecy it’s a witness pertaining to the return of Christ after the New Testament is full . We know it’s a New Testament prophecy because it’s found in the new testement as a prophecy

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


There is no prophecy in the nt about the rebuilding of Jerusalem or it’s temple because that’s not part of the New Testament
I’m not saying that in the Old Testament nothing Is said about the world I’m saying there are two testaments one of them is applicable to Israel , the other began at Jerusalem and applies to the world

what im saying is the old covenant had a culmination it was when the messiah arrived with the new

“The law and the prophets were until John: ( ot )

since that time the kingdom of God ( nt) is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The old testamen lt prophecies yeah I believe we fulfilled and culminated with the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple bout 2000 years ago and the following Jewish dispersia as the law has always said

 

[YWPMI]

Bring taught by the spirit of God is not pride.Its called being blessed.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him

There is no greater teacher.

It is by The Holy Spirit of ADONAI that I learn, also. He gave me what to say in my book New Beginnings. HE taught me HOW to forgive. HE taught me how to listen for that still small voice... HE taught ME. I did attend SOME classes for a few years, but after that, HE taught me what I missed, and still is.

He tells us also in Luke 12:11-12 :
And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Read it again, Shiloh. It is the Antichrist that kills the two witnesses. This is prophecy for the very end right before Jesus Christ returns at the 7th trump.

Let’s once again read with understanding all about God’s two witnesses.

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

- Revelation 11:3-13 (KJV)

Amen
“And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my Lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Nehemiah6]

There is no prophecy in the nt about the rebuilding of Jerusalem or it’s temple because that’s not part of the New Testament

So what? There are scores of prophecies in the Old Testament which must be harmonized with the Second Coming of Christ and the events which will follow. And Jerusalem and the future temple in Jerusalem will figure prominently in God's plan for the Kingdom of God on earth.

So Christians cannot say "Oh, that's not in the NT, therefore it is irrelevant". That's how the bogus Replacement Theology came into existence.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

So what? There are scores of prophecies in the Old Testament which must be harmonized with the Second Coming of Christ and the events which will follow. And Jerusalem and the future temple in Jerusalem will figure prominently in God's plan for the Kingdom of God on earth.

So Christians cannot say "Oh, that's not in the NT, therefore it is irrelevant". That's how the bogus Replacement Theology came into existence. [/QUOTE

It seems like you only ever have anything to say if you want to argue I’m really not interested I respect your opinion