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For what unsaved ? And I don’t claim to have anything figured out lol I’m here trying to discuss the Bible with other people who want to tell me thier thoughts and then in “a conversation “ consider my thoughts . As we are considering the scripture together
aim not really skilled at deciding who’s saved or not , but more talking about how Jesus said all men can be saved
concerning daniels prophetic visions yeah I myself think that i undersrsnd parts and pieces of prophecy. But I’m just a person who has only his own thinking and orayers and study that’s why I’m here to hear other believers thoughts about scripture it helps me a lot of times to fine tune what I think
If someone has a better case from scripture not just explaining what god really means ….. but someone has a good biblical case for the opposite I appreciate when tbey offer those respectfully for discussion my brain needs excercise I like considering things and then scriptire against the ideas that’s how I learn personally doesn’t mean anyone else needs to do that or my ways right lol it just works for me
bit listen feller I could be just a crazy ol man livin in the boondocks with too much time in his hands God knows I do t I’m just here to talk about what the big lie says in tbe text and how I and o hers understsnding it without rejecting it rether …..how one reconciles one truth with another a
just an interested participant in a public Bible discussion forum hoping for others who are pursuing the same without any argument and pride and insult bickering ect
aim not really skilled at deciding who’s saved or not , but more talking about how Jesus said all men can be saved
concerning daniels prophetic visions yeah I myself think that i undersrsnd parts and pieces of prophecy. But I’m just a person who has only his own thinking and orayers and study that’s why I’m here to hear other believers thoughts about scripture it helps me a lot of times to fine tune what I think
If someone has a better case from scripture not just explaining what god really means ….. but someone has a good biblical case for the opposite I appreciate when tbey offer those respectfully for discussion my brain needs excercise I like considering things and then scriptire against the ideas that’s how I learn personally doesn’t mean anyone else needs to do that or my ways right lol it just works for me
bit listen feller I could be just a crazy ol man livin in the boondocks with too much time in his hands God knows I do t I’m just here to talk about what the big lie says in tbe text and how I and o hers understsnding it without rejecting it rether …..how one reconciles one truth with another a
just an interested participant in a public Bible discussion forum hoping for others who are pursuing the same without any argument and pride and insult bickering ect
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So you believe all was fulfilled in 70 ad and the son of man came in the clouds then.I recon you don't have much to look forward to.
Luke 21:8-36
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Now,understanding why the two witnesses are removed from Jesus's kingdom at the time he is to receive it, should tell you something about those two.
Mathew 13:41-42
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I've tried to get people to understand a follower of Christ is not supposed to kill and torment other people as the two witnesses of Jesus do,but I can't get anyone to understand me.And revelation 11 makes it very clear that their Lord was crucified.
Not all of Jesus servants are doing what they should be doing when Christ comes and some are doing what they are commanded not to do.
Mathew 24:48-51
But suppose that servant is wicked and says in his heart, ‘My master will be away a long time.’
And he begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.
The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate.
Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mathew 13:41-42
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I've tried to get people to understand a follower of Christ is not supposed to kill and torment other people as the two witnesses of Jesus do,but I can't get anyone to understand me.And revelation 11 makes it very clear that their Lord was crucified.
Not all of Jesus servants are doing what they should be doing when Christ comes and some are doing what they are commanded not to do.
Mathew 24:48-51
But suppose that servant is wicked and says in his heart, ‘My master will be away a long time.’
And he begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.
The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate.
Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
“So you believe all was fulfilled in 70 ad and the son of man came in the clouds then”
It was prophecied to happen twice once for each coming of the messiah per each testaments promises he would enter heaven in the clouds and receive the everlasting kingdom
“I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
…I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
Daniel 7:9-10, 13-14 KJV
( see revelation chapter 5 after Jesus died and rose and was enthroned note the number of angels present and what they are saying regarding the kingdom as the lamb approaches the throne to take the book and receive the glory and honor and power ect )
the first is here
“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up,
behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven?( the one that has t happened yet is this one ) this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
Acts 1:9-11 KJV
this is about the Old Testament fulfillment of what was written then in tbe ot prophets of Israel
“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
Luke 21:20-22 KJV
This is about the end of the world when Jesus returns in the clouds
“Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, ( future tense ) and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”
Revelation 1:7 KJV
Jesus would enter the clouds and arrive in heaven to receive the kingdom promises , and later would return in the same manner in the clouds in the sight of all mankind again because the dead will all be raised and this will happen
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
“in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.”
1 Corinthians 15:52
There will be no missing or mistaking it even If you were already dead well be raised up to see it and face judgement .
Point is there are two testaments each prophecies the son of man coming in the clouds the ot says he would enter the clouds into heaven. , the nt says he would return to earth in the clouds to gather his elect and judge the world
It was prophecied to happen twice once for each coming of the messiah per each testaments promises he would enter heaven in the clouds and receive the everlasting kingdom
“I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
…I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
Daniel 7:9-10, 13-14 KJV
( see revelation chapter 5 after Jesus died and rose and was enthroned note the number of angels present and what they are saying regarding the kingdom as the lamb approaches the throne to take the book and receive the glory and honor and power ect )
the first is here
“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up,
behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven?( the one that has t happened yet is this one ) this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
Acts 1:9-11 KJV
this is about the Old Testament fulfillment of what was written then in tbe ot prophets of Israel
“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judæa flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.”
Luke 21:20-22 KJV
This is about the end of the world when Jesus returns in the clouds
“Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, ( future tense ) and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.”
Revelation 1:7 KJV
Jesus would enter the clouds and arrive in heaven to receive the kingdom promises , and later would return in the same manner in the clouds in the sight of all mankind again because the dead will all be raised and this will happen
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
“in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.”
1 Corinthians 15:52
There will be no missing or mistaking it even If you were already dead well be raised up to see it and face judgement .
Point is there are two testaments each prophecies the son of man coming in the clouds the ot says he would enter the clouds into heaven. , the nt says he would return to earth in the clouds to gather his elect and judge the world
I've been watching people come up with some of the silliest scenarios. I've watched otherwise sane people twist and mangle things that make associations that boggle the mind and make conspiracy theorists seem like well adjusted people. Even you think the king of the north comes from a country that is considered to be from the west. My compass doesn't contort that much even when it falls into a black hole.
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remember what we were talking about with Daniel and that design how each time it’s not about a different event but you just overlay it and it adds further details of the same narrative ?
daniel wrote in about 600 -700 bc the gospel came about 40-50 ad that’s appx 650-700 years of world history that occured involving the land of Israel beginning with babylons siege in daniels day when he was a young israelite along with shadrach meshach and abednego when they were taken captive and Jerusalem was besieged
babylon , then media Persia had a reign for a time first both then only Persia , the. Greece’s d Alexander the Great afyer he died there was much conflict because his kingdom was divided into four major regions he had controlled almost all the ancient world now it was divided between four generals of Greece who served under Alexander and there was conflict of course
those conflicts eventually resulted in tbe Roman Empire being more consolidated and powerful than the four had been for hundred of years of fighting each other became tbat technologically advanced and powerful and destructive nation and kingdom Daniel kept seeing destroying Jerusalem and the people
Even chapter eleven and 12 ties into it it’s about the conflicts of the Babylonian media Persian and Grecian forces which led to Romes dominion and power and eventually lead to Jesus death and Jerusalems desolation.
“And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia. And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. ( Alexander the Great of Greece ) And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.”
Daniel 11:2-4 KJV
daniel wrote in about 600 -700 bc the gospel came about 40-50 ad that’s appx 650-700 years of world history that occured involving the land of Israel beginning with babylons siege in daniels day when he was a young israelite along with shadrach meshach and abednego when they were taken captive and Jerusalem was besieged
babylon , then media Persia had a reign for a time first both then only Persia , the. Greece’s d Alexander the Great afyer he died there was much conflict because his kingdom was divided into four major regions he had controlled almost all the ancient world now it was divided between four generals of Greece who served under Alexander and there was conflict of course
those conflicts eventually resulted in tbe Roman Empire being more consolidated and powerful than the four had been for hundred of years of fighting each other became tbat technologically advanced and powerful and destructive nation and kingdom Daniel kept seeing destroying Jerusalem and the people
Even chapter eleven and 12 ties into it it’s about the conflicts of the Babylonian media Persian and Grecian forces which led to Romes dominion and power and eventually lead to Jesus death and Jerusalems desolation.
“And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia. And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. ( Alexander the Great of Greece ) And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.”
Daniel 11:2-4 KJV
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I haven't been in the military but I grew up on military bases and towns. My father and 5 uncles were in the military. One of my brothers served as well. Plus, I had G I Joe action figures with the kung fu grip. So...pretty familiar with the military. Oh,oh, plus my haircut was high and tight until high school and my dad would do snap inspections to make sure my skivvies were ironed properly. Does this give me bona fides?
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