The Error of KJV-Onlyism
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I'm not going to discuss this verse further in this thread, because it's off-topic.
It is generally considered yelling; your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.There is no need to capitalize an entire sentence. Any capitalization (outside standard grammar) in the KJV is a function of the printer, not the translator, and certainly not the original authors. It's irrelevant.
"Precede", not "proceed".
You can disagree all you like, but as you are ignoring the obvious definition of the second instance of "whoredoms" in favour of the third, and doing so without any explanation, it is your hermeneutic method that is faulty.
I'm not arguing that the entire land was engaged in prostitution, but here's where the figurative use of the term comes in.
Does making such sensational (and utterly ridiculous) associations give you some special sick pleasure? It's completely unnecessary, and only inflames the conversation rather than moving it toward understanding.
My point is that Mr. Strong's involvement with a so-called "modern translation" does not in any way bias his work against the KJV. Your assertion remains a fallacy of guilt by association.
Thanks.
For what sin did God allow the Northern ten tribes to be scattered to the nations?
You have ignored the first definition in each case. I can only conclude that you aren't interested in seeing your error. I've presented plenty of evidence; I'm done with this topic.
I don't call God Ishi, but He prefers it over Baali
Ishi - Yeshua - Jesus...?
Ishi means 'my husband'
Baali would mean 'my lord' or 'my pimp' because idolators and harlots refer to them that way or as sugar daddies.
Anyway, I realise this is uncomfortable topic for some people. But see, God can forgive. He makes things new. Not meaning we should tempt God but its just to show that He is faithful when we are not.
Even harlots can be forgiven.
Also, don't read the Bible backwards it doesn't work. So many KJV onlyers make that mistake. Honest mistake, but it happens.
Why are women harlots in the first place? Its mainly because they don't realise they have a rich and loving God. They worship a pimp for a God who spoils them. They go after idols because idols don't talk back. Or they don't really know Him.
Ishi - Yeshua - Jesus...?
Ishi means 'my husband'
Baali would mean 'my lord' or 'my pimp' because idolators and harlots refer to them that way or as sugar daddies.
Anyway, I realise this is uncomfortable topic for some people. But see, God can forgive. He makes things new. Not meaning we should tempt God but its just to show that He is faithful when we are not.
Even harlots can be forgiven.
Also, don't read the Bible backwards it doesn't work. So many KJV onlyers make that mistake. Honest mistake, but it happens.
Why are women harlots in the first place? Its mainly because they don't realise they have a rich and loving God. They worship a pimp for a God who spoils them. They go after idols because idols don't talk back. Or they don't really know Him.
Harlot Rahab married Salman or at least had a child with him who turned out to be in the lineage of Jesus.
Tamar played the harlot to give Judah a son.
King David committed adultery with Bathsheba, and their second son became King.
Yea all sorts of ungodly things happened in the Bible...it's not that God doesn't know about it. Yet he redeems this and loves Israel still.
Was Israel already godly when God chose them? Not a chance.
Tamar played the harlot to give Judah a son.
King David committed adultery with Bathsheba, and their second son became King.
Yea all sorts of ungodly things happened in the Bible...it's not that God doesn't know about it. Yet he redeems this and loves Israel still.
Was Israel already godly when God chose them? Not a chance.
Notice the divergence of our beliefs here on this matter. It’s because I believe the King James Bible, and not the Textual Critics, or Modern Bibles or the majority of Christianity in what they say. My standard is God’s Word and not men who are esteemed by other men. Besides, they don’t even have a settled Bible that they can all agree upon. In Textual Criticism: There is no standard.
You would only be a KJVer if you lived during the 1700s here in America. Your religion is new in light of Bible history.
Dan Wallace says there is no change in doctrine between the KJB and Modern Bibles but as we can see by this discussion, there are doctrines that are changed and many on the Textual Critic side have a hate on for the KJB that existed for hundreds of years long before their Textual Critic movement showed up with Westcott and Hort.
There is a big difference between someone who uses the KJV because it's the only thing available, and someone who uses the KJV because they have all kinds (and qualities) of reasons for considering every other translation inferior.
Believers are to confess and forsake sin to have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).
So one can be saved by God’s grace and mercy but they have to submit to God and His good ways.
If they continue in sin, grace will not abound. Jude warns against those who turn God’s grace into a license for immorality.
I know. There are KJB only believers who hold to the view that they can sin and still be saved.
But not all of them believe that way. The point is having a final Word of authority. The example I gave with Hosea is just one of the many places of disagreement between the Bible believers vs. the Bible evolutionists.
Meaning, those who do not believe in a perfect Bible believe that the Bible is in a constant state of flux and change and is constantly evolving to be better. Maybe one day you will have a perfect Bible. So where is your standard?
You have not demonstrated even once that there is a significant doctrine that is "evident" in the KJV that cannot be constructed from a decent modern translation.
Your use of "hate" demonstrates again that you enjoy sensationalism, and aren't interested in respectful, truth-based dialogue.
Your misinformation on the matter of textual criticism shows that you're really just here to stir the pot.
The thing is that you wouldn’t question 1 John 5:7 and you would believe it was Scripture by faith during the 1700s here in America. But today, because some heretics known as Westcott and Hort wanted to secretly dethrone the KJB and the TR, everyone now follows these two men and or the movement they started.
Yes, I have. Several times in this thread in fact. The burden of proof is on you to go back to my list and refute them.
You can check them out again here.
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Not at all. I believe I have become the enemy because I tell the truth that people do not like to hear.
But we can agree to disagree of course.
If I remember correctly, the newly arrived immigrants in America didn't bring a KJB, but the Geneva. Also, there was much protest and rejection of the new KJV when it was first published. Sound familiar?
HUH I am reading the same Bible you are reading.
I am not arguing what you are arguing or believing what you think I believe.
How would you know as you are not me.
I am not an evolutionist.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever. He redeems and saves sinners.
Gomer was a harlot when she married Hosea. She had 3 children to other lovers. Hosea forgave her, though he did threaten to put her away. He made a new covenant with her. YOU are reading it backwards.
If you can't read the KJV chapter by chapter in the order it is written with the full scriptures IN FRONT OF YOU which I have given..what are YOU on about??
why would every KJV reader live in America.
Most don't.
Anyway the KJV was for those under the British empire what is now known commonwealth. It was for the church of England and was a unifying Bible because it was in ENGLISH, for english readers. America chose to her separate ways from Britain. That's their choice. You can't make everyone read the same Bible because you are not America's monarch, you have no monarch. Not all of your presidents were believers. And they are not so called heads of any churches.
Generally, the Bible brought Geneva but John Alden brought KJB in 1620 at the same time.
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Are you assured of your salvation? I asked you if you could take away but one thing from scripture would it be that you hold the only accurate version of scripture or would it be assurance of salvation?
The fact you choose to continue stubbornly on like a mule going in the wrong direction is sadly, but most likely, an accurate estimation of letters and words above a living relationship with Christ the Lord who died for you, in your place, and who was sent by God the Father to do so.
So so many think they have their salvation all lined up and hold in their hand the golden ticket and one day Jesus says Who are you?
Do you know Him now? The Bible does not admit anyone to heaven.
(note: I am not saying anyone here is not saved; God knows. BUT I do have the desire to point out that Jesus is alive and He is not the KJ or any other translation. He is not even the original manuscripts. He is alive and seated at the right hand of the Father and lives forevermore to intercede for us)
Dodge? Do I sound like I am dodging? I have half a dozen translations and can find any one that I want online. I have a KJ bound in leather among those Bibles, but I do not worship nor pray to it nor do I believe it brings me closer to God. The Holy Spirit draws me closer to God.