We are not yet in the New Covenant prophecied by Jeremiah and Ezekiel - that is the Millennial reign

[Cameron143]

Even I never claimed that Jesus sinned. I said Pikuach Nefesh took precedence to the law. Simple. But you said a person cannot both commit sin and love G-d or show love towards G-d at the same time. That is not true. Even the prophets sinned but they had both love of G-d and showed love.

What takes precedents over scripture?

 

[NightTwister]

Even when Jesus came, there were 1000s of years of understanding that the Messiah would not be G-d but just a normal person. So ad populum by them and you.

We're dealing with G-d here. And what I love most about G-d is that He loves proving man wrong. Men I must say. "1000s of years of Men".

Again, looking for a good argument against my claim.

Well that's not true in either case. My argument against your claim is centuries of established Christian doctrine.

 

[NightTwister]

I can use personal attacks if you've strayed away from the discussion using the deflection fallacy and don't give me an explanation as to how I am wrong. Ad hominems are attacks used when I don't have an explanation. I have all the explanations listed above. It's you who hasn't explained yet. Jesus used personal attacks too but they are not ad hominems - "Brood of vipers".

You can use logical fallacies all you want. That's usually what people do when they don't have a valid argument.

 

[BeeBlessed]

A lot of dislikes by the user "selahsays". Now I know why Paul said, "women must keep their mouths shut". Nietzche said "G-d is dead". He was wrong. Philosophy is dead. Why? Because we gave women equality. Men are the philosophical powerhouses of society but there are no longer any real men in society. All just women and effeminate men who follow the popular idea and feel comforted by groupthink and a sense of belonging. When men stopped thinking, women started taking center-stage and society started dying.

I would love to know why she uses the dislike button, BTW. I don't mind the dislikes, just prefer getting a reason for the same.

Given your perspective, do you not find it ironic that God silenced the tongue of Zacharias, but not that of Elizabeth (Luke 1:20)?

Long, long ago, Habakkuk wisely said, “I will stand my watch and set myself on the rampart, and watch to see what He will say to me, and what I will answer when I am corrected” (Habakkuk 2:1).

The LORD replied with several woes, one of which is “Woe to him who says to wood, ‘Awake!’ To silent stone, ‘Arise! It shall teach!’ Behold, it is overlaid with gold and silver, yet in it is no breath at all” (Habakkuk 2:19).

Some people try to disguise stony hearts with vivid imaginations and pretense, yet no Holy Spirit inspired truth can be found there.
Words we should all remember before we post something we may later regret are these:

”But the LORD is in His Holy Temple. Let all the earth keep silence before Him” (Habakkuk 2:20).

Our Father’s thoughts considered before our thoughts are even formed is a good rule to recall before posting.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I could be wrong but I am not going to concede that when members of the Whore of Babylon (confusion) like you dismissing my interpretation without an explanation.

Now you are adding insult to injury. And people like you who do not believe what the Bible says about Christ are in fact antichrists. You said that the biblical narrative is not what you base your belief upon (about Christ). You also said that after the Gospels nothing should have been included in the NT. That is serious rejection of what Christians believe.

Again, I am not arguing if we are in a new covenant. My argument specifically is: are we in the New Covenant mentioned in Jeremiah and Ezekiel?

HAHAHAHA Jeremiah and Ezekiel must be laughing at you!
Of course you are arguing and BOLDLY ASSERTING that we are not in the New Covenant right now. But since the Bible says that we are, and since Christ said that we are, what you are promoting is BLATANT HERESY.

 

[oyster67]

Is Paul right in Hebrews 8:8 (assuming Paul wrote it) when he quotes Jeremiah 31:31-34 and assumes that the new covenant Jesus started is the same New Covenant prophecied in the Old Testament?

Paul certainly is speaking of the New Testament that has been brought to pass by the shedding of Jesus' blood. The Atonement applies to the Jews just as surely as the Gentiles. Jesus will not need to die a second time for the Jews. The New Covenant is a done deal for all peoples for all time. It will not have to wait till the end of the Trib to be completed for any man or group. It is complete now. The procrastination of the Jew does not change that fact.

Is Paul right in Hebrews 8:8...

Of course Hebrews 8:8 is right. We may not understand it at the moment, but we need not question it's validity.

 

[oyster67]

Again, I am not arguing if we are in a new covenant. My argument specifically is: are we in the New Covenant mentioned in Jeremiah and Ezekiel?

Yes.

If yes, why haven't the prophecies mentioned there that would happen before the start of the New Covenant been fulfilled?

The New Covenant being fulfilled does not require that all other prophecies be fulfilled. God's timetable concerning the New Covenant is not offset by the procrastination of a few Jews. You need to understand who Jesus is and what He did 2000 years ago.

 

[DavidIsrael]

Yes.
The New Covenant being fulfilled does not require that all other prophecies be fulfilled. God's timetable concerning the New Covenant is not offset by the procrastination of a few Jews. You need to understand who Jesus is and what He did 2000 years ago.

You assume you are exposing the "procrastination of a few Jews. ". But I believe you don't understand how prophecy works. I dread that more than whatever attitude you project against the Jews.

The prophecy specifically states that the New Covenant will be set up with the houses of Judah and Israel - all 12 tribes. When Jesus was there, there were only 2 tribes primarily. The others till date, don't even know who they are and as the Bible predicts, they will be regathered before the New Covenant is set up.

The prophecy also states that after the New Covenant is set up, only one G-d will be there. So my question is why are we still preaching the Gospel and talking about our G-d if everyone should have known who He is in the New Covenant?

 

[DavidIsrael]

Paul certainly is speaking of the New Testament that has been brought to pass by the shedding of Jesus' blood. The Atonement applies to the Jews just as surely as the Gentiles. Jesus will not need to die a second time for the Jews. The New Covenant is a done deal for all peoples for all time. It will not have to wait till the end of the Trib to be completed for any man or group. It is complete now. The procrastination of the Jew does not change that fact.


Of course, Hebrews 8:8 is right. We may not understand it at the moment, but we need not question it's validity.

We need not question its validity when evidently what Paul quotes and correlates contradicts the backdrop set about the verse he quotes in Jeremiah? That's Christ-insanity, not Christianity.

 

[oyster67]

We are not yet in the New Covenant prophecied by Jeremiah and Ezekiel - that is the Millennial reign


The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah and Ezekiel is the New Covenant.
The Millennial Reign prophesied by Jeremiah and Ezekiel is the Millennial Reign.

 

[DavidIsrael]

Now you are adding insult to injury. And people like you who do not believe what the Bible says about Christ are in fact antichrists. You said that the biblical narrative is not what you base your belief upon (about Christ). You also said that after the Gospels nothing should have been included in the NT. That is serious rejection of what Christians believe.

HAHAHAHA Jeremiah and Ezekiel must be laughing at you!
Of course you are arguing and BOLDLY ASSERTING that we are not in the New Covenant right now. But since the Bible says that we are, and since Christ said that we are, what you are promoting is BLATANT HERESY.

"Now you are adding insult to injury. And people like you who do not believe what the Bible says about Christ are in fact antichrists. "

Tell me one place where I denied what Jesus said. I only denied what Paul interpreted about Jesus. So it is not that I am wrong. You want me to be wrong because you are more stiff-necked than the Jews who crucified Jesus. I prefer them to you, any day. At least what they did led to Jesus dying for me on the cross - something positive. Whereas you Christians were supposed to be the light of the world but there is only darkness within and around you. You have crucified Christianity not only because you got somethings wrong (which is normal for humans) but because of your attitude that prevents you from accepting anything that is coherent outside of your versions.

"But since the Bible says that we are, and since Christ said that we are, what you are promoting is BLATANT HERESY. "

The Bible says we are in a new covenant instituted by Jesus. I agree. But I don't agree with Paul relating this to the New Covenant promised in the OT. Maybe you need to check your eyes. I have repeated this multiple times earlier in this thread.

"That is serious rejection of what Christians believe. "

Who cares about Christians - the whore of Babylon? The world is in such a horrible place because all you care about is heaven and the earth has been decimated unlike how early Christians kept the Law and ensured that the wicked will not have their way. All you care about is bringing more people into the fold - quantity over quality - and you will compromise to any extent to get there. Shameless Christians.

 

[DavidIsrael]

We are not yet in the New Covenant prophecied by Jeremiah and Ezekiel - that is the Millennial reign


The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah and Ezekiel is the New Covenant.
The Millennial Reign prophesied by Jeremiah and Ezekiel is the Millennial Reign.

Looking for arguments against my points that prove that what you are stating above is wrong. You asserting things doesn't make it so.

 

[oyster67]

The prophecy also states that after the New Covenant is set up, only one G-d will be there. So my question is why are we still preaching the Gospel and talking about our G-d if everyone should have known who He is in the New Covenant?

You need to come to Jesus and accept Him as your Lord and Savior today, my dear friend.

John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

 

[Melach]

if we arent in the new covenant now, what covenant are the gentiles in? cant be the mosaic one cause circumcision is not required, cant be the abrahamic one for the same reason..

 

[oyster67]

We need not question its validity when evidently what Paul quotes and correlates contradicts the backdrop set about the verse he quotes in Jeremiah? That's Christ-insanity, not Christianity.

All Scripture points to the finished work of Christ Jesus upon the cross. The New Covenant is about Jesus. Prophecies about other lesser things are just that.

 

[oyster67]

the New Covenant will be set up

The New Covenant has been set up.

Hebrews 8:13
“In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”

Ezekiel 11:19
“And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:”

The appointed time to come to Jesus is now, my friend. We have no interest in being proselytized back into your Judaism.

 

[oyster67]

you are more stiff-necked than the Jews who crucified Jesus. I prefer them to you, any day.

Is that what you came here to tell us? Do you feel better now?

 

[DavidIsrael]

Is that what you came here to tell us? Do you feel better now?

It's not how I feel. It's how you feel after you hear that that matters. Cause if that doesn't make you feel bad and make you change, then like G-d promises - Elijah will come lest G-d come and smite the earth with a curse - Malachi 4:5.

 

[DavidIsrael]

The New Covenant has been set up.

Hebrews 8:13
“In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”

Ezekiel 11:19
“And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:”

The appointed time to come to Jesus is now, my friend. We have no interest in being proselytized back into your Judaism.

The New Covenant starts after the Lost Tribes of Israel are brought back and reunited with the Jews - Isaiah 49. How will we know if we are in the New Covenant? We won't have to preach the Gospel then cause there won't be any false god thereafter. Just one true G-d - who son is Jesus Christ!

 

[DavidIsrael]

All Scripture points to the finished work of Christ Jesus upon the cross. The New Covenant is about Jesus. Prophecies about other lesser things are just that.

Show me one verse in the OT that says that the New Covenant is about Jesus' death on the cross.