If you knew anything of theological history, you would know that John Calvin never created TULIP!
"The name sometimes implies that they stem directly from John Calvin. In truth though, the formulation came after Calvin as a response from the Reformed to the Arminian Remonstrance that posited 5 points of objection in opposition to Reformed Theology. Perhaps ironically, Jacob Arminius (1560 – 1609) studied in Geneva under Calvin’s successor, Theodore Beza. He would eventually become a professor of theology and reject certain of Calvin’s doctrines pertaining to soteriology (theology of salvation). His followers, under the name Remonstrance, drafted up Five Articles and put them before the authorities in Holland. The Reformed response to these came at the
Synod of Dort (1618-1619) which are reflected in the
Canons of Dort and which became known popularly as the five points of Calvinism.
So the five points of Calvinism were actually in response to the five points of objections the Arminians raised.
https://www.theotivity.com/post/tulip-intro
In fact, Calvin died over 1564, 50 years before the Canons of Dort, in 1628-19. So, to put Calvin & TULIP together, is historical nonsense. Further, the Synod of Dort occurred in the Netherlands. They speak Dutch there! The word in Dutch for the flower tulip is tulp. Missing I!
In fact, TULIP is an English acronym. I have no idea what the Dutch word is for Total, Unlimited, Irresistible, or the other words. But I am sure there is probably some difference. I know the acronym was never used till the 20th century, and many Reformed Theologians take issue with some of the TULIP points.
WHY TULIP DOES NOT EQUAL REFORMED THEOLOGY
In spite of its frequent use by critics and advocates of “Calvinism” alike, TULIP does not provide an adequate or accurate distillation of Reformed theology.
First, TULIP is a relatively recent acronym used to summarize a much older theological document–a document that did not itself provide a summary of Reformed theology. Specifically, TULIP was developed in the twentieth century English-speaking world to describe the “five points” made in the Canons of Dort in 1618-1619. The Canons are not even an attempt to give a broad statement of Reformed belief in its five points. Instead, the document is organized into five points to respond to the five points presented in an Arminian document called the Remonstrance, which speaks to a cluster of issues related to predestination, the Spirit, and the assurance of salvation. The Dutch Reformed Church had no need for a general statement of Reformed doctrine; it already possessed one in the Belgic Confession. This confession gave a wide-ranging exposition of Reformed teaching, including the sacraments, the Trinity, the nature of the church and state, the person and work of Christ, and so on"
https://reformedjournal.com/the-problem-with-tulip-or-more-than-tulips-in-this-field/#:~:text=First, TULIP is a relatively,of Dort in 1618-1619.
So perhaps instead of using the wrong person's name and the entirely wrong acronym, we should call this view, Reformed, which is what most people who believe this doctrine call themselves. I am certain there is no church of Calvin, either. Nor is there a church of Arminius, although Arminian is a type of soteriology, which Arminius did not actually create!
There is so much wrong with this whole thread. Neither the OP nor most of the opposition really understand much more than folk theology! And the OP is completely off track in his soteriological beliefs! Well, maybe he is a rare hypercalvinists, but I've never actually met one!
I also doubt this poster can actually read Hebrew or Greek, but is quoting some made up source somewhere. As to the Septuagint (translated in 300 BC) having wrong doctrine and the Masoretic Hebrew text from the 10th century AD being right, that really comes out of the whole Hebrew Roots, Messianic mov't. If the LXX was good enough for Jesus and his disciples, I think it was good enough for anyone. I've studied both the Septuagint in Koine Greek & the Masoretic Hebrew text in Hebrew. While there are minor differences, not enough to create a totally wrong doctrine on the basics of soteriology, or how we are saved. Besides your total lack of knowledge of historical theology, you have no direct knowledge of any of the 3 languages the Bible was written in! And no, a Strong's concordance word search does not count as any knowledge of the original languages.
Finally, so many people totally putting down John Calvin! Do you also put down Martin Luther? Because Calvin & Luther basically started the Protestant Church. Henry VIII took England out of communion with Rome, causing a 100 year civil war in England between the 2 religions, other than not acknowledging the pope as head of the church, there were almost no theological differences between the Anglican Church (Church of England) & the Roman Catholic Church.
Interestingly enough, Henry's son, Edward VI, was trained in Reformed Theology, by using mostly the Bible. England, of course had many varieties of churches in authority including the Puritans, who eventually ended up in North America, escaping persecution in England, when the tide of authority turned again. As for Calvin, Luther, and Arminius, they were all men of their times. They made terrible mistakes, but their heart was to bring the church back to the Bible, and to salvation through Jesus, not an errant church. Most of Europe was either Reformed or Lutheran, except where Catholicism remained.
Any time you put down any of the founders of the Protestant Church, you are saying you are against Protestantism. As for me, I do lean Reformed, but I have never read anything by Calvin, nor do I agree totally with all Reformed doctrine. But all the early Protestants opened the door out of Catholicism, which wouldn't allow the Bible to be read by the common people, kept the services & Bible in Latin, so no one could understand much about God except their interpretation, till the second half of the 20th century!
What were Protestants protesting? The Roman Catholic Church!
What were the Reformers trying to Reform? The Roman Catholic Church, which didn't even get the order of salvation right, and impressed upon people that salvation was only through the RCC. Luther, Calvin and other early Reformers literally freed us from the chains of Catholicism! So watch your ignorant tongues, when you put down any of the early Reformers, whether you agree or totally disagree with their soteriology!
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